Solving a Tricky Differential Equation Problem with Anton

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of the form y'' + py' + qy = 0, specifically focusing on demonstrating that a certain function g_\mu(x) is a solution and evaluating a limit using L'Hopital's rule. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests differentiating the function g(x) and substituting it into the original equation to show that it satisfies the equation.
  • Another participant proposes using L'Hopital's rule to evaluate the limit, stating that the differentiation of the numerator leads to xe^(mu*x) and the denominator to 1.
  • A different viewpoint argues against using L'Hopital's rule, favoring the plain definition of the derivative as a more elegant approach.
  • One participant elaborates on the auxiliary equation and the conditions under which the roots verify the equation, emphasizing the need for correct differentiation and substitution.
  • Another participant challenges the complexity of the proposed methods, suggesting that the general solution can be derived through linear superposition without needing to differentiate the given solution.

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Participants express differing opinions on the methods to solve the problem, with no consensus on the preferred approach. Some advocate for differentiation and substitution, while others prefer using the definition of the derivative or linear superposition.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the constants p and q, and the discussion does not clarify the implications of the roots being distinct. The methods proposed by participants vary in complexity and elegance, reflecting different perspectives on solving the problem.

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My friend found this problem from Anton

Suppose that the auxiliary equation of the equation

[tex]y'' + py' + qy = 0[/tex]

has a distinct roots [tex]\mu[/tex] and [tex]m[/tex].

(a)Show that the function

[tex]g_\mu(x) = \frac{e^{\mu x} - e^{mx} }{\mu - m}[/tex]

is a solution of the differential equation

(b)Use L'Hopital's rule to show that

[tex]\lim_{\mu\rightarrow\ m} g_\mu(x) = xe^{mx}[/tex]

I tried to proof this using the D-operator method to find the roots, it doesn't seem to work. There seems to be a simpler way of doing this, but I just can't see it.

Any help is appreciated.
 
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Ok i haven't given this much thought but try this ,
(Assuming that p and q are constant)
Standard results of polynomials,
p = mu + m
q = mu*m

Differentiate the function g(x) and substitute in the original equation to show that it satisfies the equation.

the answer to b is trivial using L'Hospital,
Differentiate numerator and denominator w.r.t mu,
its easy to see that numerator differentiates to xe^(mu*x)
and the denominator is 1.
the limit evaluates to the required one easily...

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actually you don't have to use L'Hopital, just the plain definition of derivative, which is more elegant i think :P
 
I's definitely more elegant...
The auxiliary equation reads
[tex]\lambda^2+p\lambda+q=0[/tex]
If u chose the solution with "+" to be"µ",and the one with "-" to be "m",then its solutions verify identically the equation above,i.e.
[tex]\mu^2+p\miu+q=0;m^2+pm+q=0[/tex]
Making the differentiations of "g" correctly and substituting into the original equation,after separating parts with [tex]\exp{\mux}[/tex] and [tex]\exp{mx}[/tex],will find exactly the 2 equations stated above,which actually will ensure you that g is a solution of th equation.
 
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dextercioby said:
I's definitely more elegant...
The auxiliary equation reads
[tex]\lambda^2+p\lambda+q=0[/tex]
If u chose the solution with "+" to be"µ",and the one with "-" to be "m",then its solutions verify identically the equation above,i.e.
[tex]\mu^2+p\miu+q=0;m^2+pm+q=0[/tex]
Making the differentiations of "g" correctly and substituting into the original equation,after separating parts with [tex]\exp{\mux}[/tex] and [tex]\exp{mx}[/tex],will find exactly the 2 equations stated above,which actually will ensure you that g is a solution of th equation.

Hold your horses for a while,junior...
1.It's irrelevant "which is which",as long as they are different.
2.Why would complicate that much?The general solution to the given ODE is a linear superposition of fundamental solutions,which are [tex]\exp{\mux}[/tex] and [tex]\exp{mx}[/tex] with arbitrary (hopefully noninfinite,in this case it applies,sice "µ" and "m"are different) coefficients,call them A and B.Who stops you from chosing
[tex]A=\frac{1}{\mu-m};B=-A[/tex] or viceversa,to find your solution without making any derivatives of the solution given?? :eek:
Bonehead... :smile: :biggrin:
 

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