Positive integers( A short question )

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The discussion revolves around identifying positive integers less than 500 that have exactly 15 positive integer factors. Participants explore different interpretations of the problem, the implications of prime factorization, and the counting of divisors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how many positive integers less than 500 have exactly 15 positive integer factors, expressing uncertainty about their own answer.
  • Another participant provides a hint involving the number 32768, which seems to confuse some others in the thread.
  • Some participants discuss the interpretation of counting factors, with one suggesting that 1 and the number itself should be included in the count of positive divisors.
  • There is a debate about the correct prime factorization that leads to having 15 divisors, with references to the product of primes and their exponents.
  • One participant calculates that 2 * 3 * 5 * 7 has 16 positive factors, questioning the earlier claims about the number of factors.
  • Another participant identifies 144 as a candidate for a number with 15 factors, but others suggest there may be more possibilities.
  • Further calculations lead to the identification of 400, 144, and 162 as potential answers, although one participant questions the validity of 162.
  • There is a correction regarding the number of divisors for 324, with a participant asserting it has 17 positive divisors, which complicates the discussion about the correct counts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to count factors and the implications of prime factorization. There is no consensus on the final list of integers with exactly 15 factors, as multiple candidates are proposed and debated.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various interpretations of the divisor counting function and the conditions under which numbers are considered. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and differing assumptions about factor inclusion.

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Readers interested in number theory, particularly in the properties of divisors and prime factorization, may find this discussion relevant.

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How many positive integers less than 500 have exactly 15 positive integer factors?
I know the answer, but not sure it. Can you give me the answer ?
 
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HINT: [itex]2^{15} = 32768[/itex]
 
I'm not sure I get the hint. 2.3.5.7 has 15 positive integer factors (excluding itself).
 
matt grime said:
I'm not sure I get the hint. 2.3.5.7 has 15 positive integer factors (excluding itself).

Oh, I took "has 15 positive factors" as referring to prime factorization. (2x3x5x7 has 4 prime factors!)

Apparently that's not what primarygun was looking for.
 
I'm not sure if we're supposed to include 1 and itself to be honest. If we are then the only numbers are those... actually, I'm sorry, I always get suspicious when people say "i've got the answer" but don't say what it is. Could you explain how you got your answer, Primarygun, as i don't want to give it away too easily?
 
It's more natural to include the number itself and 1 when counting its number of positive divisors (it makes for a multiplicative function that way), and this is how I would interpret the question. Clarification wouldn't hurt of course.

Some simple hints in any case. If a number has 15 divisors, what does this say about it's prime factorization? Specifically, can you say how many distinct prime factors it has? What can you say about the exponents appearing in the prime factorization?
 
Doesn't
[tex] 2 * 3 * 5 * 7[/tex]
have
[tex] \tau (2 * 3 * 5 * 7) = \tau (2) * \tau (3) * \tau (5) * \tau (7) = 2 * 2 * 2 * 2 = 16[/tex]
positive factors?

I think what you need to look at is the factors of 15: 1, 3, 5, and 15
[tex] 15 = 1 * 15[/tex]
[tex] 15 = 3 * 5[/tex]
The first case gives
[tex] \tau (p^{1-1} * q^{15-1}) = \tau (q^{14})[/tex]
Because
[tex] 2^{14} > 500[/tex]
Move on to the second case
[tex] \tau (p^{3-1} * q^{5-1}) = \tau (q^4 * p^2) = 15[/tex]
Move through the primes until you surpass 500:
[tex] 2^4 * 3^2 = 144 < 500[/tex]
[tex] \tau (144) = 15[/tex]
 
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CTS said:
So it looks like 144 is the only number less than 500 with 15 positive factors, correct?

No, it's not the only one. Try other values of p, q. Let's not give too much away though?


ps.when Matt said 2.3.5.7 had 15 positive divisors, note he also said "excluding iself".
 
Sorry, haven't been online so long.
I guess it should be 3.
As you see, 15 only can be expressed as 1x15 or 3x5 for positive interger factor.
Let the number have 15 factors be n=pq (p and q : positive integers)
For 15 factor, p=1, q^14=n (q : prime number) or p^2q^4=n (p , q : prime number)
But 2^14> 500, so the first expression is rejected.
p^2 q^4 = n
Find the limit for both first, start to do it with q.
So q=2, q^4=16 n=500
So the possible largest integer is 5.
Select q from 2,3 Select p from 2,3,5.
So answer: 400, 144, and 162
 
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primarygun said:
So answer: 400, 144, and 162

Method looks good, but check how you ended up with 162.
 
  • #11
shmoe said:
Method looks good, but check how you ended up with 162.

324 has 17 positive divisors.Excluding 1 and 324,it's left with 15.

Daniel.
 
  • #12
dextercioby said:
324 has 17 positive divisors.Excluding 1 and 324,it's left with 15.

Daniel.

Nope. The formula for the number of divisors that's been kicking around the last few posts for a product of two primes, [tex]\tau(p^n q^m)=(n+1)(m+1)[/tex] includes 1 and itself in the count.
 

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