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Obama's Candidacy

by Pythagorean
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mheslep
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Feb3-12, 09:34 AM
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...never been an uninsured diabetic like me, who, without socialized medicine, ...
What happened to "We don't have socialized medicine". Seems clear to me that US medicine is at least half socialized - Medicare, Medicaid, and Veteran's being government single payer systems (and unsustainable).
WhoWee
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Feb3-12, 09:50 AM
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What happened to "We don't have socialized medicine". Seems clear to me that US medicine is at least half socialized - Medicare, Medicaid, and Veteran's being government single payer systems (and unsustainable).
Not to wander too far off topic - BUT - Medicare sets the standards for all medical billing and insurance reimbursement. I'm still trying to figure out why we are discussing Socialism in this thread about President Obama's Candidacy?
Char. Limit
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Feb3-12, 10:29 AM
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Angry Citizen - I'm a bit confused with your postings about the benefits of Socialism in a thread titled "Obama's Candidacy" - how is this on topic? What does the defense of Socialism have to do with President Obama?
Nice point. He's not a socialist, after all.

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(Apparently the President's proposed tax strategy is faith based?)
Well, if it works for the Republicans to claim that their tax strategies have God's will behind them, might as well try the same, right?

/facetiousness
MarcoD
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Feb3-12, 12:04 PM
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Clearly a monarch is subject to no earthly authority, deriving his right to rule directly from the will of God. It's now the same with tax laws, of course.
WhoWee
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Clearly a monarch is subject to no earthly authority, deriving his right to rule directly from the will of God. It's now the same with tax laws, of course.
I'm not certain what the discussion of a monarch has to do with President Obama's Candidacy either?
Number Nine
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Feb3-12, 01:36 PM
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This recent CNN piece speaks for itself-IMO.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news...ax_rich_jesus/

"Obama: Jesus would back my tax-the-rich policy"


(Apparently the President's proposed tax strategy is faith based?)
I interpreted that as a response to christian conservative leaders who apply "biblical" arguments in favour of the tax cuts and the free-market; a "**** you" of sorts to his opponents.
MarcoD
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Feb3-12, 01:49 PM
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Excuses. I have to watch my mouth sometimes. I just found the similarity of the arguments of divine monarchy and 'divine taxation' striking.

And in a funny thought, wouldn't that be something, to have Romney as king. The United Kingdom of the Americas!

Forget it, back on topic to Obama, please.
Pythagorean
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Feb3-12, 01:49 PM
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Yeah.. it was an obvious backhanded comment. It's very Obama-like. Any argument that it was actually faith-based is either ignorant or deceitful. Ignorance is easy to forgive. I'm pretty ignorant about politics, myself. Social sciences are vastly complex!
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Feb3-12, 02:44 PM
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Yeah.. it was an obvious backhanded comment. It's very Obama-like. Any argument that it was actually faith-based is either ignorant or deceitful. Ignorance is easy to forgive. I'm pretty ignorant about politics, myself. Social sciences are vastly complex!
I think the statement was a bit arrogant and dismissive of religious folk - might come back to hurt him?

On the other hand, it's possible he was speaking from the heart (he did spend 20 years in Rev Wright's church in Chicago) and we got a quick look under the tent and now understand the President makes decisions based on his religious beliefs. The alternative is not very nice - is it?
Char. Limit
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Feb3-12, 02:48 PM
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I think the statement was a bit arrogant and dismissive of religious folk - might come back to hurt him?

On the other hand, it's possible he was speaking from the heart (he did spend 20 years in Rev Wright's church in Chicago) and we got a quick look under the tent and now understand the President makes decisions based on his religious beliefs. The alternative is not very nice - is it?
I don't think it matters that much. Religious people already seem to think Obama's a bad candidate - at least, every religious person I've seen on TV and in the news seems to think that.
Pythagorean
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Feb3-12, 02:50 PM
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I think the statement was a bit arrogant and dismissive of religious folk - might come back to hurt him?

On the other hand, it's possible he was speaking from the heart (he did spend 20 years in Rev Wright's church in Chicago) and we got a quick look under the tent and now understand the President makes decisions based on his religious beliefs. The alternative is not very nice - is it?
Who cares whether it's nice or not? It wasn't arrogant and dismissive of religious folk in general, just a particular subset of religious folk that hold a particular belief. They are in the minority, so his candidacy will hardly be threatened (as you'll see when he's elected a second term... even without my vote).
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Feb3-12, 02:51 PM
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I don't think it matters that much. Religious people already seem to think Obama's a bad candidate - at least, every religious person I've seen on TV and in the news seems to think that.
You mean right-wing, fundamentalist religious folk on fox? Or all religious people on all TV?
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Feb3-12, 02:51 PM
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You mean left-wing, fundamentalist religious folk on fox? Or all religious people on all TV?
Probably the former. I don't watch all TV, after all. Just the bits that make it to my attention, which is mostly right-wing fundies.
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Feb3-12, 02:52 PM
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oops, I said left-wing, meant right-wing. You got the context though : )
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Feb3-12, 02:54 PM
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I don't think it matters that much. Religious people already seem to think Obama's a bad candidate - at least, every religious person I've seen on TV and in the news seems to think that.
If Pythagorean's post is correct "Yeah.. it was an obvious backhanded comment. It's very Obama-like. Any argument that it was actually faith-based is either ignorant or deceitful."
my guess is more than a few Independents and Moderates will take note of the insincerity.
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Feb3-12, 03:01 PM
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I posted employed fraction of population intentionally to show the difference.
You have to be very careful with interpreting E/P trends during a period when baby boomers are dropping (like flies) out of the workforce.

On a related note: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...s-to-8-3-.html
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... we got a quick look under the tent and now understand the President makes decisions based on his religious beliefs.
Not following exactly how we arrived at that. Please explain?
The alternative is not very nice - is it?
What is the (only) alternative you have in mind?
WhoWee
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Feb3-12, 03:08 PM
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You have to be very careful with interpreting E/P trends during a period when baby boomers are dropping (like flies) out of the workforce.

On a related note: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...s-to-8-3-.html
Good point, I happened to look at stats for OH yesterday - approx 11,000 per month are turning 65 and retiring.


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