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Hello,
here is something that's been bothering me for a while: say I have a charged particle beam that can be described by one bivariate Gaussian in X dimension and another bivariate Gaussian in Y dimension. The parameters of the bivariate gaussian are the position (X) of an individual particle and the projection of the tangent of the angle onto the X axis (Xnu). The angle and position can be correlated, hence the covariance between X and Xnu may be not zero. The same for the Y axis: Y and Ynu. Each distribution is characterized by its own variance, so there are var(X), var(Xnu), var(Y), and var(Ynu) as well as cov(x,Xnu), cov(Y,Ynu). Covariance between X and Y is not accounted for but also not important in this problem. Now, I would like to experimentally measure the beam spot size and I have two available techniques: (1) a 2D scintillation screen that gives me X,Y map of beam intensities in the plane perpendicular to XY (2) a pinhole detector that moves along X or Y to collect the beam profile. Neither of the two detectors gives the particle direction information. In (1) I get the map of the intensities and fit 2D gaussian in X and Y to give me var(X) and var(Y) (actually I'm after beam spot sizes, so sqrt(var(X)) and sqrt(var(Y))). In (2) I get a profile that typically runs across the center of the spot along X and Y directions, so for Y=0 and X=0, respectively. These are the 'conditional' profiles and they should also give me the same values for var(X) and var(Y). Should or should not? I looked into a statistics textbook and found the proof that the variance of a projected bivariate gaussian (which is what I measure by fitting the 2D gaussian in (1)) and the conditional gaussian (which is what I get from my experiment in (2)) should be equal. I also found that in the beam optics physics literature there is a distinction between the 'conditional' (aka plane) and the 'projected' (aka space) beam spot standard deviations. The article that I've found says that the conditional beam spot size is sqrt(2) times bigger than the projected beam spot size (variance(conditional) = 2* variance (projected)). I'm confused. Are the variances equal or are they not? Your input is appreciated. LinguisticM 



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Bivariate gaussians for ion beam optics<quote begin> Random variables x and thetaX are projected, or 'plane' variables. For example, x is the x coordinate of the random variable r. The variance of x, denoted a, is however different from what would be measured in a typical beam profile measurement. In a such a measurement, assuming measurement in x direction along the y = 0 line, one obtains a conditional probability distribution of x coordinate with the condition y = 0. This is not the same as the probability distribution for the x coordinate; they are both Gaussians, but the variance of the conditional is larger by a factor of 2. Sometimes such conditional variables are called 'space' variables <quote end> I can't see how the conditional can have variance larger by the factor of 2 than the space. thetaX which is mentioned in the quote (strictly speaking this is the tan(thetaX), but since the angles are very small, this does not matter) comes from the direction of motion of the particle, so this is the angle between the projection of the direction vector onto the y=0 plane and the z direction. If theta and phi are the polar and azimuthal angles in the spherical coordinate system then after conversion to the cartesian coordinate system thetaX is: thetaX = tan(theta)cos(phi) As it says in the quote, X and thetaX describe the motion of the particle in the X plane. 



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 yes, by motion I mean the momentum vector  yes, X plane is the YZplane  the measured data do not give the momentum vector, only position. Using the 2D scintillation screen I got the 2D fluence map, which is a square array. Using the pinhole detector I got a vector showing fluence along one of the axes (Y=0 or X=0).  this picture illustrates the use of the X,thetaX beam description I quoted earlier: http://www.desy.de/felbeam/s2e/data..._space_1nC.jpg does it help? 



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