Can drag force and lift force be in the same direction here:

In summary, the conversation discusses the concepts of lift and drag forces in the Y-direction and their relationship to the equation of motion in a fluid flow. The participants also discuss the orientation of these forces and how they can be resolved into different components depending on the reference direction.
  • #1
Roul
7
0
In the attached picture, can I say that there is a lift force in the Y-direction, and a drag force too in the same Y-direction?

FL proportional to V_fx2 ?

FD proportional to V_py2 ?

Is this equation of motion for the Y-direction correct here: ma = − mg − FD + V(rho)g + FL

The lift force is because of the horizontal flow which is in fact lifting the particle (lets assume there is some small velocity gradient around the particle, as the particle bottom experiences zero flow velocity and particle top experiences the flow velocity), and the drag force is due to the resistance to the particle's upward motion. Is this correct to say?

Please assume that the picture is correct, and such an observation was made.

Edit: Just added the image.
https://imgur.com/x099TgP

https://imgur.com/x099TgP

https://imgur.com/x099TgP
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Roul said:
can I say that there is a lift force in the Y-direction, and a drag force too in the same Y-direction?
Lift and drag are perpendicular to each other, but can both have a positive Y-component.
 
  • #3
A.T. said:
Lift and drag are perpendicular to each other, but can both have a positive Y-component.

So the lift force will be in the Y-direction, but the drag force will be at an angle (say theta) to the vertical direction, in between the horizontal flow velocity and the vertical particle velocity. So in my equation can I use FL and FDcos(theta) and rest will be the same, right?
 
  • #4
Roul said:
So the lift force will be in the Y-direction, but the drag force will be at an angle (say theta) to the vertical direction,
Lift and drag components are perpendicular to each other per definition. Their orientation depends on what you consider as the reference flow direction.
 
  • #5
+1

Air flowing past an object exerts a force F acting on the object. You can resolve that force F into two components acting in any direction you want - provided the vector sum equals F. It's conventional to resolve it into two forces one acting perpendicular to the flow (lift) and one parallel to the flow (drag) but there is nothing that says you must do it that way.

For example consider a glider soaring in air flowing up a hill. You could define lift as the component acting perpendicular to the air flow or in a direction that opposes gravity. Depends what you are interested in.
 
  • #6
In aeronautical engineering, lift is the aerodynamic force perpendicular to the relative wind, whereas in everyday vernacular, the term lift applies to any force that points up.
 

1. Can drag force and lift force act in the same direction?

Yes, it is possible for drag force and lift force to act in the same direction. This occurs when an object is moving at a high angle of attack, causing the lift force to act in the same direction as the drag force.

2. Which force is stronger: drag force or lift force?

This depends on the specific situation and the characteristics of the object. In general, drag force is stronger than lift force at high velocities, while lift force is stronger at lower velocities and higher angles of attack.

3. How are drag force and lift force related?

Drag force and lift force are both aerodynamic forces that act on an object moving through a fluid, such as air. They are related by the object's shape, size, velocity, and angle of attack. Changes in any of these factors can affect the magnitude and direction of both forces.

4. Can drag force and lift force cancel each other out?

No, drag force and lift force cannot cancel each other out. While they may act in opposite directions, they are both necessary for the aerodynamic forces to keep an object in motion.

5. What are some examples of objects where drag force and lift force act in the same direction?

Some examples of objects where drag force and lift force act in the same direction include airplanes performing high angle of attack maneuvers, rockets during liftoff, and cars with spoilers or wings at high speeds.

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
725
  • Mechanics
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
18
Views
2K
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • Classical Physics
Replies
30
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • Engineering and Comp Sci Homework Help
Replies
4
Views
1K
Replies
16
Views
15K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
1K
Back
Top