Deriving the lorentz transforms

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Lorentz transformations and clarifying the matrix form of the equations. A participant questions the accuracy of a matrix representation, suggesting corrections to the terms involving velocity. They confirm that using the 4-vector (ct', x', y', z') aligns with the expected results. The conversation also touches on the symmetry of the metric and how it relates to the derivation process. Overall, the thread emphasizes the importance of understanding the matrix representation in the context of Lorentz transformations.
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It's a really easy question, I know, but I must be doing something stupid. Can someone please spell out how to get the right hand side matrix form out of the individual equations?

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8497/lorentz25wv.jpg
 
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Thrice said:
It's a really easy question, I know, but I must be doing something stupid. Can someone please spell out how to get the right hand side matrix form out of the individual equations?

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/8497/lorentz25wv.jpg
If you multiply the matrix by the 4-vector (t', x', y', z') it should result in the 4-vector (t, x, y, z) as set out on the left side of the arrow. I think the matrix is wrong, though. The numerator of the second term in the top row should be v/c^2 and the numerator of the first term in the second row should be v.

AM
 
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Andrew Mason said:
If you multiply the matrix by the 4-vector (t', x', y', z') it should result in the 4-vector (t, x, y, z) as set out on the left side of the arrow. I think the matrix is wrong, though. The numerator of the second term in the top row should be v/c^2 and the numerator of the first term in the second row should be v.

AM
See I thought that as well, but they have the inverse of that matrix in the book too & it matches up with the one on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorent...rmation_for_frames_in_standard_configuration". Apparently it's gotten by switching V for (-V). Does it work out if you use the 4 vector (ct', x', y', z') & (ct, x, y, z)?

Edit: Right.. it does.. I knew I was doing something stupid sorry.
 
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Wait don't go. I have more foolish questions once I figure out how to post in that .. latex is it?
 
<br /> \newcommand{\pd}[3]{ \frac{ \partial^{#3}{#1} }{ \partial {#2}^{#3} } }<br /> <br /> g_{\it ij} \pd{}{V^k}{} (V^i V^j )= 2 g_{\it kj} V^j
 
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K got it. Why does that work? Something to do with the symmetry of the metric...
 
Thrice said:
K got it. Why does that work? Something to do with the symmetry of the metric...

No need for any special symmetry. It follows from {\partial V^i \over \partial V^k} = \delta^i_k and similarly if i is replaced by j. Then you just need to rename a dummy index in one of the terms and you get the answer provided.
 
Thanks both of you. I don't know where i'd go when my brain isn't working. :)
 
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