Designing an environment inside the ice crust of an exomoon

In summary, the moon has an atmosphere of methane that is trapped in ice. The moon has an ecosystem that consists of a plant-like organism and intelligent life. Human visitors are advanced and would be able to explore the moon using modern technology. Putting the story on Europa would simplify some aspects, but it would be at a trade off for other things.
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Hello. My name is Brian McKinley. I beginning work on a hard(ish) science fiction comic titled Verdant Spiral. I thought this would be a good place to get feedback to make sure my ideas are plausible. All feedback is welcomed, and thank you all in advance.

The first story takes place on an exomoon orbiting a gas giant around the white dwarf G29-38. The surface of the moon is frozen over like Europa or Enceladus. I was inspired by images of methane bubbles trapped in frozen lakes to imagine something similar happening on a massive scale. hydrothermal vents maintain a liquid ocean under a thick icy crust. Cavities are cut upward into the icy crust and gases are trapped there. Once there is an atmosphere trapped there an ecology develops around it. That ecosystem continues to evolve and intelligent life develops, builds a civilization, dies out, humans come exploring.

So what I've been wondering is the formation of these sort of cavities that could fill up with atmosphere possible? What shape would they be likely to take? Could the cavities be open to the ocean at the bottom?

Variations on shape I had thought of:
  • The cavities are cone-shaped, big end up. Sort of like upside-down, inside-out island chains.
  • The cavities are stacks of flattened bubbles like the photos that inspired the idea.
  • The cavities are bell-shapped, big end down.

If an opening to the ocean is plausible, then the idea with big end up is the descent through the cavity gets more and more claustrophobic and terminates in a small hot-spring area. With bell shaped I guess it would have to be a large lake or sea and the dramatic implications change.
 
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What volcanic gases doesn't dissolve rather rapidly in water? O2 might be available from above due to photo-dissociation of the ice, but it'd rapidly dissolve in the water. Perhaps a plant-like organism of sorts create nitrogen bubbles, to store away rare nitrogen from the competition?
 
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So the main thing I need is a mechanism either physical or biological that will get gases out of solution? If I had a volume of air trapped below the ice, above the water, is there anything preventing that from being large in scale both in size and time?
 
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The ice cracking would be one problem, the gases being produced and then not dissolved would be another, N2/O2 behaves like that, CO2, SO2 and most other volcanic gases doesn't.

Perhaps all oxygen-breathing life could exist and be symbiotic with the giant air-pocket plant, which lives under the ice and stretches it tendrils down to the black smokers below. It could even be some feat of bionengineering by a long lost civilization rather than something admittedly rather unlikely to evolve on its own.
 
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Interesting idea. There's already a rather pervasive plant involved - I might have to think about that some.
 
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One thing to consider is the human visitors, they are going to be very advanced. If this story is taking place around another star then that means humanity has mastered long distance space travel and that is an enormous accomplishment. it means that we have either cracked FTL or we have perfected self sustaining environments and long term stasis or have generational ships. Any of these accomplishments mean you will have to really consider how different they are going to be from modern humans. to that end, it won't matter what the atmosphere inside the bubble is like as the humans should have the technology to explore any environment.

If you want your humans to be closer to our current technology and civilization then I might suggest putting the story on Europa. It seems you are basing your moon heavily on Europa already so why not? it also puts the story right here in our solar system so humans could realistically be exploring it within the next century.

Good luck.
 
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Definitely all things that I've been considering. Putting it on Europa would certainly simplify some things, but it would be at a trade off for other things. It's shocking how much of a rabbit hole "be more realistic" can be for a science fiction story–especially in a visual medium where I can't just leave it up to the audience's imagination what clothing and technology look like. But the thing is—making those decisions is what appeals to me in telling the story.
 
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Yes I know there is a trade off between realistic and exciting. I get what you are saying about visual mediums. its always had to do sci fi that looks believable. in a book, the tech updates with the current reader as long as its open ended enough. Once you film something however its done. I still snicker at one of my favorite Time travel movies that features a flashback to the traveler's home period of 26th century Earth, and in the lab there is filled with these massive 80s style CRT monitors.

My advice to keep it on Europa was simply to free you from that slippery slope of putting human travelers on a distant world but keeping them close enough to modern humans that you would give them a society readers would understand.
 
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Interesting, I'm certain I read a slightly similar story in a sci-fi short story anthology. I can't remember the name. In that one, the aliens were aquatic, living in ocean-like cavities of fluid underneath the surface of Europa. The story was written from the perspective of the aliens, and humans aren't really mentioned, I think. The aliens were intelligent enough to have social interactions with each other, but did not have much technology or tool use. They had no knowledge of modern cosmology, so they developed their own superstitious ideas of cosmology centered around these cavities.
 

1. How can we create a habitable environment inside the ice crust of an exomoon?

To create a habitable environment inside the ice crust of an exomoon, we would need to first determine the composition of the ice crust and then design systems to melt and maintain a liquid water ocean. This could involve using geothermal energy or advanced heating technologies.

2. How thick would the ice crust need to be for us to design an environment inside it?

The thickness of the ice crust would depend on the distance of the exomoon from its host planet and the amount of energy it receives. Generally, the ice crust would need to be thick enough to protect the liquid water ocean from freezing and to support the weight of any structures built on top of it.

3. What are the potential challenges of designing an environment inside an ice crust?

Some potential challenges of designing an environment inside an ice crust include determining the stability of the crust, managing temperature and pressure changes, and developing sustainable energy sources. Additionally, any structures built inside the ice crust would need to be able to withstand the weight and potential movement of the ice.

4. How could we ensure a sustainable ecosystem inside the ice crust?

To ensure a sustainable ecosystem, we would need to carefully manage the balance of nutrients, oxygen, and other necessary elements within the liquid water ocean. This could involve using advanced technologies for water filtration and waste management, as well as potentially introducing and monitoring different plant and animal species.

5. What potential benefits could come from designing an environment inside the ice crust of an exomoon?

Designing an environment inside the ice crust of an exomoon could allow us to study and potentially discover new forms of life. It could also provide a potential solution for overcrowding on Earth and offer new opportunities for space exploration and colonization. Additionally, the technology and knowledge gained from this endeavor could have practical applications on Earth.

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