Directional Derivatives and Derivations - Tangent Spaces

In summary: So Lee is saying that we can think of the Euclidean tangent space T_p(M) as a vector space, and that this makes things more intuitive. But he's not saying that this is the only way to think about it.
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I am reading John M. Lee's book: Introduction to Smooth Manifolds ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Tangent Vectors ...

I need some help in fully understanding Lee's conversation on directional derivatives and derivations ... ... (see Lee's conversation/discussion posted below ... ... )

Lee defines a directional derivative and notes that taking a directional derivative of a function [itex]f[/itex] in [itex]\mathbb{R}^n[/itex] at a tangent vector [itex]v_a[/itex] is a linear operation ... ... and follows a product rule ... ... that is, for two functions at [itex]v_a[/itex] we have

[itex]D_{v|_a} (fg) = f(a) D_{v|_a} g + g(a) D_{v|_a} f[/itex]Lee then defines a derivation ... that seems to generalise the directional derivative to any linear map that satisfies the product rule (see definition and (3.2) below ...

... ... BUT ... ... why does Lee need a 'derivation' ... why not stay with the the directional derivative ... especially as Proposition 3.2 (see below) establishes an isomorphism between [itex]\mathbb{R}^n_a[/itex] by using a map:

[itex]v_a \mapsto D_{v|_a}[/itex]

... that is a map that is onto the directional derivative ...Can someone please explain why Lee is introducing the derivation ... ? ... and not just staying with the directional derivative ... ?The relevant discussion in Lee, referred to above, is as follows:
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Without knowing the textbook I assume it is about Lie groups, too. They play a major role in physics and one way to study them is to consider the representations of their tangent space, their Lie algebras. Derivations play a major role there, e.g. the left multiplication in a Lie algebra is one. And if you study the multiplication and automorphisms of Lie groups you will end up with derivations in their corresponding Lie algebra.
As you can see in what you uploaded a tangent vector is a function for which the product rule holds, a derivation.

For short: it is often easier to study the Euclidean tangent spaces of a manifold than the manifold itself and obtain important results about the latter.
 
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I'm reading that same chapter in Lee's book too. From what I understand, the directional derivative works fine for a Euclidean manifold. But for an abstract manifold, you won't be be able to apply the same definition. So he generalizes the directional derivative to derivations. Then, given [itex] p \in M [/itex], he identifies [itex] T_p(M) [/itex] with [itex] T_{\phi(p)}(\mathbb{R}^n) [/itex], where this identification is independent of the coordinate chart. If you keep reading in the chapter and doing the mini-exercises along the way, you'll see how he does this. With this identification, we can think of the Euclidean tangent space instead, which is more intuitive.

EDIT: Look at the picture at the top of page 60. That should give you a picture of what he's doing.
 
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Thanks fresh_42 and JonnyG ... appreciate your help ...

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I think that the author might be looking ahead to the case of more general manifolds than [itex]R^n[/itex].

If you have an arbitrary manifold [itex]M[/itex], and you have a parametrized path [itex]\mathcal{P}(t)[/itex] (that is a continuous, smooth function of type [itex]R \rightarrow M[/itex]), you can implicitly define a kind of vector--the tangent vector to the path [itex]\mathcal{P}(t)[/itex]--by just giving its directional derivative:

If [itex]v = \frac{d \mathcal{P}}{dt}[/itex], and [itex]a = \mathcal{P(0)}[/itex], then [itex]D_{v|a}[/itex] is that operator defined by:

[itex]D_{v|a} f = \frac{d}{dt}|_{t=0} f(\mathcal{P}(t))[/itex]

This is a generalization of the original definition, which assumed a simple form of [itex]\mathcal{P}(t)[/itex]: [itex]\mathcal{P}(t) = a + vt[/itex]. Adding a vector to a point doesn't make sense for an arbitrary smooth manifold, but you can still make sense of a parametrized path.

Now, the problem with this generalization of the notion of a directional derivative is that it's not completely obvious that it forms a vector space. That is, if you have two directional derivatives: [itex]D_{v|a}[/itex] and [itex]D_{u|a}[/itex], can you always find a third directional derivative [itex]D_{w|a} = D_{u|a} + D_{v|a}[/itex]? You can, but it's not obvious. In contrast, the proof that derivations form a vector space is pretty trivial.
 

1. What is the difference between directional derivatives and derivations?

Directional derivatives and derivations both involve the study of how functions change along a given direction. However, directional derivatives are used to calculate the rate of change of a function along a specific direction, while derivations are used to find the tangent space of a function at a specific point.

2. How are directional derivatives and derivations related?

Directional derivatives and derivations are closely related, as both involve the concept of tangent spaces. In fact, directional derivatives can be thought of as a special case of derivations, where the direction of change is specified by a vector in the tangent space.

3. What is the significance of tangent spaces in directional derivatives and derivations?

Tangent spaces play a crucial role in both directional derivatives and derivations. They provide a way to approximate the behavior of a function at a specific point, and can be used to calculate the rate of change of a function along a given direction.

4. How are directional derivatives and derivations used in real-world applications?

Directional derivatives and derivations have numerous applications in fields such as physics, engineering, and economics. For example, they can be used to optimize the performance of machines, model the movement of particles, or analyze the behavior of financial markets.

5. What are some common techniques for calculating directional derivatives and derivations?

There are several techniques for calculating directional derivatives and derivations, including the chain rule, the product rule, and the quotient rule. Additionally, there are numerical methods such as finite differences and the Newton-Raphson method that can be used to approximate these values.

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