Entropy as a measure of energy gradient?

In summary, the video discusses the concept of entropy and its relation to useful and useless energy. The conversation delves into the connection between this concept and Clausius' statement of the second law of thermodynamics. It also touches on the role of free energy and how systems with the same energy can still interact due to differences in intrinsic variables such as temperature and pressure. The conversation concludes by recommending further reading on the topic.
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This video explains the entropy concept as in terms of useless and useful energy. My question is how is this concluded from say Clausius' statement of 2nd law of thermodynamics which states that there can exist no cycle that transfers heat from A to B without producing any other effect. I haven't been introduced to the concept of free energy but from what I grasped if a two systems have the same energy (there could be a temperature difference) then there should be no interaction between them?
 
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Your title is wrong. It's not an energy gradient. You probably got the idea from the video which shows systems with high and low temperature regions mixing to give a medium temperature region (with higher overall entropy). The video isn't wrong, but it doesn't get into the mathematical depth to understand exactly what entropy is.

You may want to check out Chet's insight: https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/grandpa-chets-entropy-recipe/

weezy said:
I grasped if a two systems have the same energy (there could be a temperature difference) then there should be no interaction between them?
No. Equilibrium is governed by the intrinsic variables like temperature and pressure and chemical potential, not by the energy, which is an extrinsic variable (that is, it is additive and scales with the size of the system). Note that a 100 m^3 block of ice has more energy than a 200cm^3 cup of coffee, but energy will flow from the coffee to the ice. When the temperatures are equal (in the coffee cup) there's no more flow of heat. When the pressures are equal (across the dam), there will be no more flow of fluid volume. When all intrinsic qualities are in equilibrium, then entropy is at the maximum and nothing interesting happens anymore.
 
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Related to Entropy as a measure of energy gradient?

1. What is entropy and how is it related to energy gradient?

Entropy is a measure of the disorder or randomness in a system. It is directly related to energy gradient, as systems tend to move towards a state of higher entropy, or greater disorder, in order to achieve a more stable energy state.

2. How is entropy calculated?

Entropy can be calculated using the equation S = k ln W, where S is the entropy, k is the Boltzmann constant, and W is the number of microstates (possible arrangements of particles) in a given system.

3. Can entropy ever decrease?

In a closed system, entropy will always tend to increase, as particles naturally move towards more disordered states. However, in an open system where energy is constantly being added, entropy can decrease locally by creating pockets of order or decreasing randomness in certain areas.

4. How does entropy relate to the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of a closed system will always increase over time. This is because energy naturally tends to disperse and become more disordered. Entropy can be seen as a measure of this natural tendency towards disorder.

5. What are some practical applications of entropy as a measure of energy gradient?

Entropy is used in various fields, such as thermodynamics, information theory, and chemistry. It can help predict the direction of chemical reactions, the efficiency of heat engines, and the stability of systems. It is also used in data compression and coding, as higher entropy corresponds to more randomness and therefore less compressibility.

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