Exploring the Binomial Formulas & Beyond

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of a similar formula for the area of a circle and higher dimensions for a sphere or torus. The speaker provides a potential formula for the area of a circle and explains its geometric interpretation using Euclidian postulates. They also mention that this formula can be extended to spheres and tori.
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JonnyMaddox
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Hey JO,

You all know the binomic formulas I guess. Let's look at the first:
[itex](a+b)^2=a^2+2ab+b^2[/itex]
Now this can be interpretet as the area of a square with the sides [itex](a+b)[/itex]. And that means the area of the square is decomposed into the components [itex]a^2[/itex],[itex]2ab[/itex] and [itex]b^2[/itex]. And this can also be done for a cube in three dimensions with [itex](a+b)^3[/itex] and so on. My question is now if there is a similar formula for the area of a circle? Or in higher dimensions for a sphere or torus ?
 
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Not completetly trivial, but yes, there are such expressions. This lemma tells (part of) the story
 
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Another use of the formula:
350px-Pythagoras_proof.svg.png

What can you prove from that figure and your formula?
 
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JonnyMaddox said:
Hey JO,
My question is now if there is a similar formula for the area of a circle? Or in higher dimensions for a sphere or torus ?

Oh, this is a fascinating question we might be able to reason our way through. Let's start off with what we know. In your mapping of the algebraic binomial distribution to generalized Euclidian space, it's important to understand that the algebraic operator addition corresponds to the finite extension of a segment (one of Euclid's postulates) and that the product is delimitation of a rectangle on a Euclidian plane. The construction of a circle (a second Euclidian postulate) is fundamentally a different process whereby an arc is subtended. Now, is it possible to map a length to an arc? Yes, by way of a radius/diameter which can also be mapped to a length. And both are extensible, but what of the product? Let's try using the radii to find a relationship... Yes! Here's an analog to the relationship between the area of a rectangle subdivided:

If you have two circles ## \{A, B\} ## of radii ## \{a \sqrt{\pi}, b \sqrt{\pi} \} ## then their areas are ## \{ a^2 \pi^2, b^2 \pi^2 \}## respectively. Now, create a circle ## C ## of the radius ## (a + b) \sqrt{\pi} ##. It's area will be ## (a^2 + 2ab + b^ 2) \pi^2 ## which can be rewritten ## a^2 \pi^2 + 2ab \pi^2 + b^ 2 \pi^2 ##. Then it becomes evident that the sum of the areas of the first two circles plus this middle term are equal in area to the area of the third circle. What about the relation between the two terms? It look like the circumference but isn't.

The circumference is ## 2\pi (a + b)\sqrt{\pi} ## where as our center term is ## 2\pi (a\cdot b) \pi ##. So, our conversion factor (to turn what we have into the circumference of C) is ## \frac{ab\sqrt{\pi}}{a+b} ##.

So, from what I can tell the analog with circles does have a geometric interpretation, but it's nowhere as elegant.

## A_c = A_a + A_b + \frac{ab\sqrt{\pi}}{a+b}C_c \forall a, b \in ℝ##.

Is this what you're looking for?
 
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aikismos said:
Oh, this is a fascinating question we might be able to reason our way through. Let's start off with what we know. In your mapping of the algebraic binomial distribution to generalized Euclidian space, it's important to understand that the algebraic operator addition corresponds to the finite extension of a segment (one of Euclid's postulates) and that the product is delimitation of a rectangle on a Euclidian plane. The construction of a circle (a second Euclidian postulate) is fundamentally a different process whereby an arc is subtended. Now, is it possible to map a length to an arc? Yes, by way of a radius/diameter which can also be mapped to a length. And both are extensible, but what of the product? Let's try using the radii to find a relationship... Yes! Here's an analog to the relationship between the area of a rectangle subdivided:

If you have two circles ## \{A, B\} ## of radii ## \{a \sqrt{\pi}, b \sqrt{\pi} \} ## then their areas are ## \{ a^2 \pi^2, b^2 \pi^2 \}## respectively. Now, create a circle ## C ## of the radius ## (a + b) \sqrt{\pi} ##. It's area will be ## (a^2 + 2ab + b^ 2) \pi^2 ## which can be rewritten ## a^2 \pi^2 + 2ab \pi^2 + b^ 2 \pi^2 ##. Then it becomes evident that the sum of the areas of the first two circles plus this middle term are equal in area to the area of the third circle. What about the relation between the two terms? It look like the circumference but isn't.

The circumference is ## 2\pi (a + b)\sqrt{\pi} ## where as our center term is ## 2\pi (a\cdot b) \pi ##. So, our conversion factor (to turn what we have into the circumference of C) is ## \frac{ab\sqrt{\pi}}{a+b} ##.

So, from what I can tell the analog with circles does have a geometric interpretation, but it's nowhere as elegant.

## A_c = A_a + A_b + \frac{ab\sqrt{\pi}}{a+b}C_c \forall a, b \in ℝ##.

Is this what you're looking for?

Ok thank you, that sounds nice. I'm trying to understand it. So what is the geometric interpretation? But next, what about spheres and tori? I think if I fully understood this I could put it up on Wikipedia as a generalisation of the binomic formula.
 

Related to Exploring the Binomial Formulas & Beyond

1. What is a binomial formula and how is it used in science?

A binomial formula is a mathematical expression used to calculate the probability of a specific outcome in a series of events. In science, it is commonly used in experiments involving two possible outcomes, such as success or failure, yes or no, or heads or tails. It helps scientists analyze and predict the likelihood of certain events occurring.

2. Can you give an example of a binomial formula in action?

One example of a binomial formula in action is in genetics, where it is used to determine the probability of inheriting a certain trait from parents. For instance, the probability of a child having blue eyes when both parents have blue eyes is calculated using the binomial formula.

3. Are there any limitations to using binomial formulas in scientific research?

While binomial formulas are useful in certain situations, they do have limitations. They assume that the events being studied are independent of each other, and that the probability of success or failure remains constant throughout the experiment. In reality, this may not always be the case and can affect the accuracy of the results.

4. What is the difference between a binomial formula and a binomial distribution?

A binomial formula is a mathematical expression used to calculate the probability of a specific outcome, while a binomial distribution is a probability distribution that shows the likelihood of all possible outcomes in a series of events. The binomial formula is used to calculate a specific probability, while the binomial distribution gives an overview of all probabilities in a given situation.

5. How does the binomial formula relate to other mathematical concepts?

The binomial formula is closely related to other mathematical concepts such as combinations and permutations. It uses a combination of these concepts to calculate the probability of a specific outcome. It is also related to the binomial theorem, which expands binomial expressions to a higher power.

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