Inversion of functions that aren't 1-1

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between the functions ##t## and ##r## and how they can be found as a function of each other. It is mentioned that in order for this to be true, ##t## must be a 1-1 function of ##r##. However, there are cases where this may not be true, such as when ##t=r^2##. The conversation also brings up the concept of multiple-valued functions and selecting a "principle branch" to use for a 1-1 function. It is noted that this issue does not occur in nonrelativistic mechanics, as there are no orbits with two values of ##r## for the same value of ##\theta##.
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If ##t## is a function of ##r##, then we may in theory find ##r## as a function of ##t##, as claimed in the last paragraph of the attachment below. My issue is this is only true if ##t## is a 1-1 function of ##r##. Otherwise, suppose ##t=r^2##. Then ##r=\pm\sqrt{t}##, which isn't a function.

I understand that physically it makes no sense for ##t## not to be a 1-1 function of ##r##, because we would then have two different values of ##r## at a particular time and an object can't be at two places at once. But mathematically, I don't see how (6.15) shows ##t## is a 1-1 function of ##r##.

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When you are dealing with multiple-valued functions, you can define different "branches" of the function in which it is 1-1. Then you can select one of the branches, called the "principle branch", and use it for a 1-1 function. In your case, you might start with the branch that makes r positive. Typically an (r,θ) designation has r>0. As you integrate r, it may smoothly become negative. That is a problem where you will have to decide whether you should keep r positive or not. If the integral goes negative, you might want to keep r positive and add 180° to θ. Those discontinuities of θ can cause problems, depending on how you are using it.
 
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This is a classical physics problem - you can be sure the object won't be at two places at the same time (otherwise your solution is wrong), going from t(r) to r(t) is no problem.
 
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mfb said:
This is a classical physics problem - you can be sure the object won't be at two places at the same time (otherwise your solution is wrong), going from t(r) to r(t) is no problem.

How about going from ##\theta(r)## to ##r(\theta)##? ##\theta(r)## may not be a 1-1 function since it is possible for an orbit to have 2 values of ##r## with the same ##\theta##.
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In nonrelativistic mechanics, there is no orbit with two values of r for the same value of θ. If you would have that, you could limit the inversion to a single orbit. The problem doesn't occur however, because there are two values of θ for the same r - you have to limit the analysis to half an orbit in an earlier step already.
 
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mfb said:
In nonrelativistic mechanics, there is no orbit with two values of r for the same value of θ. If you would have that, you could limit the inversion to a single orbit. The problem doesn't occur however, because there are two values of θ for the same r - you have to limit the analysis to half an orbit in an earlier step already.

Below is an orbit with two values of ##r## for the same value of ##\theta##. Look at the dotted line just left of the arrow ##r_1##. The line cuts the orbit twice or more times, indicating there are two or more values of ##r##.
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How do you "limit the inversion to a single orbit"? What's the single orbit in this case?
 
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The single orbit ends at the point where the line intersects itself: θ changed by 2 pi along one revolution.
If you allow θ values larger than 2 pi, you can fix this issue - the two points then differ by 2 pi in θ.

As this particular motion seems to have a shorter period in r-oscillations, you can study the trajectory for θ from 0 to 2pi/3 only if you want.
 

What is inversion of a function that isn't 1-1?

Inversion of a function that isn't 1-1 is the process of finding the inverse function for a given function that does not have a one-to-one relationship between its input and output values. This means that there are multiple input values that can result in the same output value.

Why is it important to understand inversion of non-1-1 functions?

Understanding inversion of non-1-1 functions is important because it allows us to solve equations and find solutions in situations where the function is not a one-to-one relationship. This is a common occurrence in real-world applications of mathematics and science.

How do you determine if a function is invertible if it isn't 1-1?

A function is invertible if it passes the horizontal line test. This means that for any horizontal line drawn on the graph of the function, it should only intersect the function at most once. If a function fails the horizontal line test, it is not invertible and does not have an inverse function.

What is the process for finding the inverse of a non-1-1 function?

The process for finding the inverse of a non-1-1 function involves solving for the input variable in terms of the output variable. This can be done by switching the x and y variables and solving for y. The resulting equation is the inverse function of the original function.

What are the limitations of inversion of non-1-1 functions?

The main limitation of inversion of non-1-1 functions is that not all functions have an inverse. Only functions that pass the horizontal line test are invertible. Additionally, even if a function is invertible, the resulting inverse function may not be a valid function for all values of the input variable.

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