Is Changing to Polar Coordinates Always Valid for Double Integrals?

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of always being able to change from rectangular to polar coordinates without ambiguity. It is stated that while one can always make this change, the transformation given in the conversation is incorrect. It is also noted that rectangular coordinates do not necessarily trace out rectangles and polar coordinates do not necessarily trace out circles. The conversation concludes by emphasizing the importance of changing the bounds and integrand of an integral accordingly when changing coordinates to ensure that the same overall function values are summed over the same domain.
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An integral paradox ??

let be [tex] \int_{0}^{\infty}xdx \int_{0}^{\infty}ydy [/tex]

changing to polar coordinates we get that the double integral above shoudl be

[tex] 2\int_{0}^{\infty}r^{3}dr [/tex]

althoguh they are all divergent , is this true can we ALWAYS make a change of variable to polar coordinates without any ambiguity ??
 
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One can always change from rectangular to polar coordinates. However the transformation you gave is incorrect. The coefficient is not 2 but 1/2.
 
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am.. thanks a lot

but my question is, the Area of a Circle is NOT equal to the area of an Square [tex] \frac{C}{S}= \pi [/tex]

hence , how could we be completely sure [tex] \iint _{C} f(x,y)dxdy = \iint _{S} f(x,y)dxdy [/tex]
 
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Rectangular coordinates don't necessarily trace out rectangles and Polar coordinates don't necessarily trace out Circles in the xy plane. The path they trace out is predetermined by a rule, eg To describe the path of the unit circle in rectangular coordinates we say x^2+y^2 = 1, and the same path could be described in polar coordinates with x= cos t, y= sin t, t varies from 0 to 2pi.

It's your job to change the bounds and integrand of the integral accordingly when change coordinates so that they still sum the same overall function values over the same domain.
 

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1. What is an integral paradox?

An integral paradox is a mathematical concept that refers to a situation where the result of an integral calculation is undefined or infinite, even though the integrand (the function being integrated) is well-defined and finite. This paradox arises when certain conditions are not met, such as improper integration or the use of divergent integrals.

2. How does an integral paradox occur?

An integral paradox can occur when the function being integrated has a singularity or discontinuity within the bounds of integration. This leads to an undefined or infinite result, even though the function is well-behaved outside of those bounds. It can also occur when the function being integrated does not satisfy certain conditions, such as convergence or continuity.

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