Is the Real Number Line Actually Infinite?

In summary, the conversation discusses a puzzle about the number line and the existence of infinitely many real numbers between 0 and 1. The conclusion is that the number line must have zero length, which is considered absurd. However, the premise that leads to this conclusion is false because arithmetic cannot be applied to infinite values.
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Stoney Pete
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Hi guys,

Here is a little puzzle I have been wondering about. I can't solve it, perhaps you can help.

We know there are infinitely many real numbers on the number line. Indeed, already between 0 and 1 there are infinitely many real numbers. So if a real number is a point on the number line, there must be infinitely many points between 0 and 1. This is only possible if the points have zero extension. Now, infinity times zero is still zero. So the number line must have zero length! This is obviously absurd. But where is the false premiss?

Source: Yanofsky, The Outer Limits of Reason.
 
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Stoney Pete said:
Now, infinity times zero is still zero
Why? Infinity is not even a real number. How do you define multiplication on a set that both contains infinity and zero?
 
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Stoney Pete said:
Hi guys,

Here is a little puzzle I have been wondering about. I can't solve it, perhaps you can help.

We know there are infinitely many real numbers on the number line. Indeed, already between 0 and 1 there are infinitely many real numbers. So if a real number is a point on the number line, there must be infinitely many points between 0 and 1. This is only possible if the points have zero extension. Now, infinity times zero is still zero.
No. You can't use arithmetic with infinite values. Infinity times zero is one of several so-called indeterminate forms, such as ##[\infty \cdot 0]##, ##[\infty/\infty]##, ##[0 / 0]##and ##[\infty - \infty]##. They are usually written inside brackets to indicate that they aren't actually numbers.

Indeterminate forms typically show up in limits in calculus
Stoney Pete said:
So the number line must have zero length! This is obviously absurd. But where is the false premiss?

Source: Yanofsky, The Outer Limits of Reason.
 

1. What is the "real number line paradox"?

The real number line paradox is a mathematical concept that explores the idea of infinity and the concept of a continuous line. It raises the question of whether there is a smallest possible number on the number line or if the line can continue infinitely.

2. How does the real number line paradox challenge the concept of infinity?

The paradox challenges the concept of infinity by questioning whether there is a smallest number on the number line. If there is a smallest number, then the line cannot be infinite. However, if the line is infinite, there cannot be a smallest number. This paradox highlights the limitations of our understanding of infinity.

3. Is the real number line paradox solved?

There is no clear solution to the real number line paradox. Mathematicians and philosophers continue to debate and explore the concept of infinity and the nature of the number line. Some argue that the paradox is unsolvable and will always remain a mystery.

4. How does the real number line paradox relate to Zeno's paradox?

Both the real number line paradox and Zeno's paradox deal with the concept of infinity and the idea of continuous motion. Zeno's paradox suggests that motion is impossible because it requires an infinite number of smaller distances to be traveled. Similarly, the real number line paradox questions whether there is a smallest unit of measurement on the number line.

5. What are the practical applications of understanding the real number line paradox?

The real number line paradox has implications in many areas of mathematics, including calculus and number theory. It also has philosophical implications in our understanding of infinity and the nature of reality. Studying this paradox can also help us better understand the limitations of our human perception and reasoning abilities.

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