Minimum Value of (a+7)^2+(b+2)^2 with Constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 - POTW #506

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In summary, the minimum value of (a+7)^2+(b+2)^2 with constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 is 0. It can be calculated by finding the point of intersection between the two circles (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 and (a+7)^2+(b+2)^2=0, which is (a,b) = (5,7). The constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 represents a circle with center (5,7) and radius 2, within which the minimum value must be found. The values of a and b determine the location of the minimum value,
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Here is this week's POTW:

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Find the minimum value of ##(a+7)^2+(b+2)^2## subject to the constraint ##(a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4##.

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I think no procedures or forms are in place, and it's not clear to me if they will be.
In the meantime, here's my attempt.
Geometrically this is the square of the distance of point (-7,-2) to the circle with radius 2 around (5,7).
In turn that is the square of the distance of (-7,-2) to (5,7) reduced by 2.
So the requested minimum value is:
\begin{array}{ll}\Big[d\big((-7,-2), (5,7)\big)-2\Big]^2&=\Big[\sqrt{(5 - -7)^2 + (7 - -2)^2} -2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[\sqrt{12^2+9^2}-2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[\sqrt{3^2(4^2+3^2)}-2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[3\cdot 5 -2\Big]^2\\
&=13^2=169\end{array}
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Still discussing with @anemone but I'd like them to be open and communal as you are doing here :smile:
 
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$(a+7)^2+(b+2)^2=\sqrt{ab}$
I like Serena said:
I think no procedures or forms are in place, and it's not clear to me if they will be.
In the meantime, here's my attempt.
Geometrically this is the square of the distance of point (-7,-2) to the circle with radius 2 around (5,7).
In turn that is the square of the distance of (-7,-2) to (5,7) reduced by 2.
So the requested minimum value is:
\begin{array}{ll}\Big[d\big((-7,-2), (5,7)\big)-2\Big]^2&=\Big[\sqrt{(5 - -7)^2 + (7 - -2)^2} -2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[\sqrt{12^2+9^2}-2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[\sqrt{3^2(4^2+3^2)}-2\Big]^2\\
&=\Big[3\cdot 5 -2\Big]^2\\
&=13^2=169\end{array}
:nb)
@I like Serena, your solution is perfect!
 
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Late to the party, but I did not sneak at Serans solution, I started on this earlier today and just got it finished.

There is probably a nice geometric way of solving this in five lines. I did brute force method with calculus and quadratic equations.
##(a-5)^2 + (b-7)^2=4## solve for ##b##:
##b_+ = 7 + \sqrt{10a-a^2-21}##
##b_- = 7 - \sqrt{10a-a^2-21}##
Construct functions:
##f_+(a)= (a+7)^2+(b_++2)^2 = 24a + 18\sqrt{10a-a^2-21} + 109##
##f_-(a)= (a+7)^2+(b_-+2)^2 = 24a - 18\sqrt{10a-a^2-21} + 109##
Domain of both funcions is ## 3 \leq a \leq 7## and we have ##f_+(3) = f_-(3) = 181## and ##f_+(7) = f_-(7) = 277##
Differentiate w.r.t. ##a## and solve derivative equal to zero.
## \dfrac{\mathrm{d} f_+ }{\mathrm{d} a }= \dfrac{90-18a}{\sqrt{10a-a^2-21}}+ 24##
## \dfrac{\mathrm{d} f_+ }{\mathrm{d} a }= 0## we can solve ##90-18a = 24\sqrt{10a-a^2-21}## by squaring both sides and look out for false roots, though one of them will be the root for ## \dfrac{\mathrm{d} f_- }{\mathrm{d} a }= 0##, see below. The root is ##a = \dfrac{33}{5}##
##f_+(\frac{33}{5}) = 289##
Now the other function
## \dfrac{\mathrm{d} f_- }{\mathrm{d} a }= \dfrac{18a-90}{\sqrt{10a-a^2-21}}+ 24##
## \dfrac{\mathrm{d} f_- }{\mathrm{d} a }= 0## has root ##a = \dfrac{17}{5}##
##f_-(\frac{17}{5}) = 169##

Smallest value ##169 = 13^2##
Largest value ##289 = 17^2##
 
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Here is this week's POTW:

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Find the minimum value of ##(a+7)^2+(b+2)^2## subject to the constraint ##(a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4##.

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To do this in one's head:
Let ##x = a -5, y = b - 7##, then we have the minimim value of ##(x + 12)^2 + (y + 9)^2## subject to ##(x, y)## lying on the circle at the origin of radius ##2##. ##(12, 9)## forms a Pythagorean triple with ##15##, so the minimum distance is ##15 - 2 = 13##. The square of which is ##169##.
 
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Related to Minimum Value of (a+7)^2+(b+2)^2 with Constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 - POTW #506

1. What is the minimum value of the expression (a+7)^2+(b+2)^2 with the constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4?

The minimum value of the expression is 9. This can be found by substituting the given constraint into the expression and using the properties of squares to simplify.

2. How do you find the minimum value of a given expression with a constraint?

To find the minimum value, you first need to substitute the constraint into the expression. Then, use algebraic properties to simplify the expression and find its minimum value.

3. Can the minimum value of the expression be negative?

No, the minimum value of the expression cannot be negative. This is because the constraint (a-5)^2+(b-7)^2=4 ensures that both (a+7)^2 and (b+2)^2 are positive, resulting in a minimum value of 9.

4. What is the significance of the constraint in finding the minimum value of the expression?

The constraint serves as a limitation for the possible values of a and b in the expression. It helps to narrow down the range of possible values and ultimately leads to the determination of the minimum value.

5. Can the minimum value of the expression be greater than 9?

No, the minimum value of the expression cannot be greater than 9. This is because the given constraint limits the values of a and b, resulting in a maximum possible value of 9 for the expression.

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