Opening this jar is made easier by cooling or heating?

In summary, the wood on the lid of the jar is supposed to unscrew from the jar, but it's stuck because the glass jar has a higher coefficient of thermal expansion. He suggests two ways to make it easier to remove: heating the lid and cooling the lid. He also points out that the wood on the lid of the jar is supposed to unscrew from the jar, but it's stuck because the glass jar has a higher coefficient of thermal expansion. He suggests two ways to make it easier to remove: heating the lid and cooling the lid.
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robertphy
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I've found this question online and don't agree with the explanation given.
There’s a tight lid on a jar that you need to get loose.
The lid on this jar is made of wood and is supposed to unscrew from the jar — if only it wasn't stuck. The coefficient of thermal expansion of the glass jar is higher than that of the wood lid.
How can you make the lid easier to remove?

Explanation
If you heat the lid and the jar, then the jar will expand more than the lid does — which would make the lid of the jar even tighter and more difficult to open.

If you cool the lid and the jar, then the jar will contract more than the lid does, leaving the lid relatively large compared to the jar and easier to remove.

I disagree. If you heat the jar, the diameter of the top opening increases more than the diameter of the wooden lid, making it looser. The opposite happen if you cool the jar and the lid.
Can you please clarify what's happening, in your opinion?
Thank you
 
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robertphy said:
I disagree. If you heat the jar, the diameter of the top opening increases more than the diameter of the wooden lid, making it looser. The opposite happen if you cool the jar and the lid.
Why would the wood expand more than the glass if its CTE is less than that of glass?
robertphy said:
Can you please clarify what's happening, in your opinion?
Thank you
The CTE of the glass is greater than that of glass, so it should expand more on heating and contract more on cooling.
 
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Which one has the female contact surface or thread?
That one has to expand, or the other one has to contract.
 
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Lnewqban said:
Which one has the female contact surface or thread?
That one has to expand, or the other one has to contract.
Looks like the devil's in the details.
A cork in a bottle is similar in line to the OP reasoning.
 
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PeroK said:
Why would the wood expand more than the glass if its CTE is less than that of glass?

The CTE of the glass is greater than that of glass, so it should expand more on heating and contract more on cooling.
Thank you, now I understand the point.
 
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Surprisingly, they're limited to opening only American jars: :smile:
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renormalize said:
Surprisingly, they're limited to opening only American jars: :smile:
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My high school English teacher would say that this a dangling modifier. :smile:
 
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Interestingly, real wood has a different coefficient of thermal expansion with the grain than across the grain. This suggests that the lid shape is not preserved. So the real world experience could be that both heating and cooling make the lid more difficult to remove.
 

1. How does cooling or heating make it easier to open a jar?

Cooling or heating the jar affects the pressure inside the jar, making it easier to open. When you cool the jar, the air inside contracts, creating a lower pressure. When you heat the jar, the air inside expands, also creating a lower pressure. This lower pressure inside the jar makes it easier to open because there is less resistance against the lid.

2. Which method, cooling or heating, is more effective in opening a jar?

It depends on the type of jar and the contents inside. For most jars, cooling is more effective because it creates a greater difference in pressure. However, for jars with sticky or thick contents, heating may be more effective as it can soften the contents and make them easier to move.

3. Can any type of jar be cooled or heated to make it easier to open?

Yes, most jars can be cooled or heated to make it easier to open. However, it is important to check the material of the jar and its lid to ensure that it is safe to be cooled or heated. Glass jars are generally safe to be cooled or heated, but plastic jars may not be able to withstand extreme temperatures.

4. How long should a jar be cooled or heated before attempting to open it?

The length of time needed to cool or heat a jar depends on the size of the jar and the temperature difference between the jar and its surroundings. In general, a few minutes in the refrigerator or a few seconds under hot water should be enough to make a noticeable difference in pressure.

5. Are there any risks associated with cooling or heating a jar to open it?

Cooling or heating a jar does not pose any significant risks as long as the jar is made of a safe material and the temperature change is not extreme. However, it is important to handle the jar carefully as sudden changes in temperature can cause the jar to crack or break. It is also important to be cautious when using hot water to heat the jar, as it can cause burns.

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