Paradoxes of the Coulomb friction

In summary, Painleve's paradoxes demonstrate that applying Coulomb's law of friction to rigid bodies can lead to contradictions. However, a seemingly simple example of a cart with a pendulum and a rod on top can also produce a paradox, as applying the law of torques leads to impossible results. This paradox can be resolved by changing the model, such as by using a strong spring instead of a rod, but in reality the solution may not be perfect and the rod may still experience jumping or sliding.
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From Painleve we know that Coulomb's law of friction being applied to rigid bodies systems may produce contradictions. Painleve constructed several examples of such contradictions, so called Painleve's paradoxes, see [Painleve P. Leçons sur le frottement. P.: Hermann, 1895]. Those examples are somewhat complicated and contain big formulas.

I would like to propose a completely trivial paradox of Coulomb's friction.
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A cart moves from left to right on a horizontal road. Over the cart there is a pendulum with a fixed hing ##O## and a homogeneous rod ##OA## of mass ##m##. Rod's end ##A## rests on the cart such that the angle between the rod and the vertical is equal ##\alpha##.
Let ##N## be a normal reaction force that acts on the rod from the cart and ##F=\gamma N## be a force of friction applied to the rod; ##\gamma## is a coefficient of friction.
Applying the law of torques about the point ##O## we get
$$N=\frac{mg\sin\alpha}{2(\sin\alpha-\gamma\cos\alpha)}.$$ Thus if ##\tan\alpha<\gamma## then ##N<0## and the cart attracts the rod. That is impossible.
 
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zwierz said:
Thus if ##\tan\alpha<\gamma## then ##N<0## and the cart attracts the rod. That is impossible.
Why? It just means that the rod can neither sink into the cart nor leave the cart. I can think of possible ways to accomplish that.
 
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It means that the reaction N is directed downstairs and thus all the forces rotate the rod in the same direction (counterclockwise) but the rod remains at rest. Contradiction.
 
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zwierz said:
all the forces rotate the rod in the same direction (counterclockwise)
Doesn't F rotate clockwise in this case?
 
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Isn't this just a simplified linear version of a sprag clutch ?

With suitable geometry these mechanisms allow free motion in one direction and strongly retarded or stopped motion in opposite direction .
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Dale said:
Doesn't F rotate clockwise in this case?
the force of friction acts in the opposite direction of relative velocity. The relative velocity is the same for both cases
 
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zwierz said:
Thus if ##\tan\alpha<\gamma## then ##N<0## and the cart attracts the rod. That is impossible.
In reality this means: If friction is too high, the thing will lock or break.
 
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we can also replace the rod with a very strong spring
 
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zwierz said:
we can also replace the rod with a very strong spring
A spring will compress and rotate counter clockwise, so no contradiction.
 
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Sure, I just proposed one of the ways to change the model such that the contradiction vanishes.
In reality the rod will likely begin to jump
 

1. What is the Coulomb friction paradox?

The Coulomb friction paradox refers to the apparent contradiction between two fundamental principles in mechanics: the law of friction and the law of conservation of energy. According to the law of friction, the force of friction is directly proportional to the normal force and independent of the contact area. However, the law of conservation of energy states that energy should remain constant in a closed system, which seems to be violated by the existence of frictional forces.

2. How does the Coulomb friction paradox affect real-life scenarios?

The Coulomb friction paradox has important implications in real-life scenarios, as it can lead to unpredictable and sometimes counterintuitive outcomes. For example, in engineering and design, it can affect the efficiency and stability of mechanical systems, and in physics, it can impact the accuracy of predictions and measurements.

3. What are some proposed solutions to the Coulomb friction paradox?

There are several proposed solutions to the Coulomb friction paradox, including the use of more complex and accurate models, such as the Amontons-Coulomb law, which takes into account the effects of surface roughness and adhesion. Another solution is the concept of energy dissipation, which suggests that the energy lost due to friction is converted into heat, thus maintaining the overall energy balance in a system.

4. Can the Coulomb friction paradox be completely resolved?

At this point, it is not possible to completely resolve the Coulomb friction paradox, as it is a complex and multifaceted problem that involves various physical phenomena. However, with continued research and advancements in technology, we can better understand and mitigate its effects in different applications.

5. How does the Coulomb friction paradox relate to other paradoxes in physics?

The Coulomb friction paradox is just one example of the many paradoxes that exist in the field of physics. It shares similarities with other paradoxes, such as the Zeno's paradox and the grandfather paradox, in that they challenge our understanding of fundamental principles and highlight the limitations of our current theories and models.

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