Show that potential energy is conserved

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equation of motion from the given potential energy function, U(x) = 4x^2 + 3, and proving conservation of energy. The force is determined to be F = 8x, leading to the acceleration a = 8x/m. The user attempts to find velocity and position functions but struggles with the integration process and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy. Key insights include the need to multiply the equation of motion by velocity and integrate to establish energy conservation, emphasizing the importance of correctly applying physics principles. The conversation highlights common pitfalls in integrating motion equations and clarifies the correct approach to proving energy conservation.
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Homework Statement



potential energy function of :

$$
U(x) = 4x^2 + 3
$$

And have to

i) Work out the equation of motion

ii) Prove explicitly that the total energy is conserved

Homework Equations

$$
F = \frac{dU}{dt}
$$

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm not too sure how to go about this.

I would say that I have the force of

$$
F = 8x
$$

By differentiating the given potential energy function. I need to work out the
equation of motion, what I have an object with mass ##m##.

So this means that I have

$$
F = 8x = ma
$$

Then I have that

$$
a = \frac{8x}{m}
$$

Is this an equation of motion? I mean, it's acceleration, or should I find for
##v(t)## and ##x(t)## as well as this?

In which case I would have

$$
v(t) = \int a(t) dt
$$

Which in this case is found as (having the mass in the equation seems unusual?)

$$
v(t) = v_0 + \frac{1}{2m}8x^2 = v_0 + \frac{4}{m} x^2
$$So then from this I have that

$$
x(t) = x_0 + v_0t + \frac{4}{3m}x^3
$$

And this would be all of the equations of motion for this 1D case?

Then I need to prove that energy is conserved here, and I've no idea how to go
about that.

I've not been given any frictional forces, so it seems like it's just a given
that I'm going to have

$$
W + PE_0 + KE_0 =
PE_f + KE_f + \text{Energy(Lost)}
$$

Here I can remove work ##W## and the energy lost for

$$
PE_0 + KE_0 =
PE_f + KE_f
$$

And I need to do something with these?

Potential energy - I have the potential energy function given as part of the
problem which is

$$
U(x) =
4x^2 + 3
$$

Then I can sub this into the energy expression as
$$
4x_0^2 + 3
+ KE_0 =
4x_f^2 + 3
+ KE_f
$$

Getting rid of the constants seems pretty harmless

$$
4x_0^2
+ KE_0 =
4x_f^2
+ KE_f
$$

Now I'm really not sure what I should do from here, sub in kinetic formulas of
##K = \frac{1}{2}mv^2##?

$$
4x_0^2
+
\frac{1}{2}mv_0^2
=
4x_f^2
+
\frac{1}{2}mv_f^2
$$

I'm not sure if I can arrange this to be 'nicer' in any way either, I'm purely
thinking in algebra at the moment though not physics :S$$
8(x_0^2 - x_f^2) =
m(v_f^2 - v_0^2)
$$

I'm not sure if differentiation should do anything nice here, but I really have
no idea what I'm doing with this.

Thanks
 
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gelfand said:
2. Homework Equations ##F = \frac{dU}{dt}##
Dividing energy by time gives power, not force.
 
haruspex said:
Dividing energy by time gives power, not force.
OK ##F = - \frac{dU}{dx}## sorry , I'm still unsure about the question
 
gelfand said:
OK ##F = - \frac{dU}{dx}## sorry , I'm still unsure about the question
You got a=8x/m ok, but you cannot integrate that wrt t directly. The expression you got for v(t) was the integral wrt x (which just gets you back to U).

There is a useful trick for solving equations like ##\ddot x=f(x)##. Multiply both sides by ##\dot x##, then integrate dt.
 
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