What can be expected from the non-academic career of a physics phd?

In summary, the conversation revolves around a PhD student's concerns about leaving academia after graduation and their search for information and experiences from others who have gone through the transition. They express worries about the promises made to STEM students and the marketability of their skills, as well as concerns about job prospects after completing a post-doc. They also mention finding some helpful accounts from others, but are looking for more feedback. The conversation also touches on the speaker's own experience in physics and the experiences of some of their colleagues who have pursued different paths in fields such as geology, neural networks, and finance.
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Hello,
I am a 3rd year phd student, and I am wondering what I can expect if I leave academia after I graduate. I know I still have a while, but it still makes me nervous. I know that there are many threads on here that approach this topic, but I have found them a little limited for me (e.g., vague, speculative, salary-centered or only dealing with quant, engineering, or academic sub-fields). I search for information on this topic quite a lot, and I understand that there are so many variables involved that no person can answer this for me. However, I am looking for detailed accounts from people who left academia after earning their phd in the hope that I (and hopefully others) can extrapolate their experiences and help formulate expectations for my own future.
Some motivation for the question for which I would welcome feedback also:
1) It's a pretty common idea (although debated) that there are many implicit promises that are made to STEM students that just do not pan out. For example, http://www.scienceprogress.org/2008/08/its-the-money-stupid/. Twofish-quant also talks about being "lied to." His account and references are very interesting https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=376191&page=2
Me and some other grad students who are worried about our futures talk about this issue regularly, and it seems like everyone always says dogmatically, “at least we could always be quants” which twofish-quant points out may not always be an exploitable niche for physics students. That is why I love the quant threads but don't think that they help me build expectations for the future. Also, I would love to hear from people who studied physics and got into industries other than finance. 2) I go to an R1 state school, but all the faculty went to MIT, Harvard, Cal-tech, etc. which makes me scared that after I finish grad-school and do a post-doc, I'll be sent to a farm where all the other unemployed, burned-out, cheap STEM grad students go... maybe there's not a real farm, but I wonder where people like me end up. 3) Also, it seems like good stats (from AIP, etc.) do not exist because many people with physics backgrounds do not have the job title “physicist.” BLS even says this in their OO handbook.

I understand that many people who studied physics and left may not be reading this forum, but I imagine some of you are out there. I would love to hear about what you did in grad school (e.g., experimental solid state, quantum information) and what you do now (e.g., software, management). I know this is pretty personal but I think it would be helpful in conveying the story of how you made the transition. I'm also kind of curious about the marketability of experimental/computational/theoretical experiences and skills. It would also be great to hear your take on the transition, like, did your experience uniquely qualify you for your current path or are you embittered and detest your decade studying physics.

I would really love to get some feedback. Twofish-quant has been great in talking about life after academia (as have some others), but that's only one account... I would love to hear more.

Thanks
 
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Hello,

I have read your sketch for your internal questions about your future in physics. First, Wow! You´re in 3rd year of Phd and is really amazing. I finished my bachelor in physics the last year and I don't have idea about my future, I mean, I like physics and I enjoy playing (sometimes) with the nature. I stopped because Some of my teachers have problems and I thought in my life. I worked in High energy (Now, I dislike it), and I remember my teacher told us that he wanted change his researchy, but time ran and he stayed. he is a impolite person, he has a lot of problems with his partners but he is a really good physicist,

Some friends have changed. One of them is in France, he is working in geology(oil) and things like that. Other is working in neural networks and I can´t understand how he works in that.. A girl has worked in Biophysics, but before she is working (with a partner) in finance and she had money always...

A lot of students have question, for me the things is, if you enjoy and you love physics you should stay there. Don´t worry and just do the best in your field.

I´m Sorry for me English (from Latin America)
 

1. What types of non-academic careers are available for physics Ph.D. graduates?

There are a variety of non-academic careers that physics Ph.D. graduates can pursue, including roles in industry, government, and research institutions. Some common career paths include data analyst, science writer, patent agent, and research and development specialist.

2. Is a physics Ph.D. useful for non-scientific roles?

Yes, a physics Ph.D. can be valuable for non-scientific roles as well. The skills and knowledge gained through a physics Ph.D. program, such as critical thinking, problem-solving, and data analysis, are highly transferable and can be applied to a wide range of industries and professions.

3. How can I prepare for a non-academic career as a physics Ph.D.?

There are several steps you can take to prepare for a non-academic career as a physics Ph.D. graduate. These include gaining relevant experience through internships or research projects, networking with professionals in your desired field, and developing skills in areas such as communication, project management, and data analysis.

4. What salary can I expect in a non-academic career as a physics Ph.D.?

The salary for non-academic careers with a physics Ph.D. can vary depending on the specific role and industry. However, many non-academic careers for physics Ph.D. graduates offer competitive salaries, often higher than those in academia. Additionally, these roles may also offer opportunities for career advancement and salary growth.

5. Are there any disadvantages to pursuing a non-academic career as a physics Ph.D.?

The decision to pursue a non-academic career as a physics Ph.D. is a personal one and may not be the best fit for everyone. Some potential disadvantages may include less job security compared to tenure-track positions in academia and potentially longer working hours in certain industries. However, there are also many benefits to a non-academic career, such as a wider range of job opportunities and potentially higher salaries.

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