What is the correct pH in a reaction between hydrogen sulfate ion and ammonia?

In summary, the homework statement is that the reaction of hydrogen sulfate ion and bubbled in ammonia is a large extent reaction. The problem is that with 0.25 moles of hydrogen sulfate ion left in the system there is NO way there can be a pH of 2.40. A pH of 1.3, yes.
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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



Ka of hydrogen sulfate ion will be taken as 1.2x10-2.

Ka of ammonium ion will be taken as 5.6x10-10

Kb of ammonia will be taken as 1.8x10-5

Kb of sulfate ion will be taken as something very tiny (Kw/Ka of hydrogen sulfate ion).

These values are consistent throughout the literature.

The Attempt at a Solution



The reaction of hydrogen sulfate ion and bubbled in ammonia is a large extent reaction. We'll take it as going to completion. Also the pH controlling species here is obviously hydrogen sulfate ion since the magnitude of its Ka is far beyond that of ammonium or ammonia.

The problem is that with 0.25 moles of hydrogen sulfate ion left in the system there is NO way there can be a pH of 2.40. A pH of 1.3, yes. It seems that my teacher may have used the natural log instead of the base ten log because taking the natural log of the hydronium ion concentration yields a 2.90 (which may look like 2.40). The pH can easily be ascertained through a simple x^2/Mi = Ka calculation.

So am I wrong or is my teacher wrong?
 
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pH of the 1M NH4HSO4 solution is around 1.0, pH of the 1M (NH4)2SO4 solution is around 5.47, 2.40 is definitely between these two values.
 
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It's a salt of a strong acid and weak base essentially. You have already hit on an essential simplifying fact - the ammonia is essentially all protonated in the problem. So it is no different than if you replaced NH4+ everywhere by Na+, a fairly ordinary problem.
 
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No, that's not quite right either; I know what I did wrong. I forgot to realize this was a buffer solution. We have an ammonia/ammonium buffer and a hydrogen sulfate ion/sulfate ion buffer. We use the Henderson-Hasselbach equation then to estimate pH. I should also have realized that with the sheer amount of sulfate ion in the system relative to hydrogen sulfate ion (ratio of 3:1 or 0.75 moles to 0.25 moles) should, by Le Chatlier's principle, reduce the production of hydronium ion (relative to if there were only hydrogen sulfate ion in the system, as I had erroneously supposed).
 
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To some extent it is a buffer solution, but using HH equation is quite dangerous. HSO4- is too strong for that. HH equation requires use of the equilibrium concentrations, you can't be sure typical assumption about the neutralization ("went to completion") is justified.

I agree with epenguin, ammonia dissociation can be safely ignored.

IOW equivalent question is "How much NaOH has to be added to 1M NaHSO4 to produce pH 2.4 solution". I would try to approach it with some variant of the ICE table.
 
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1. What is an acid/base pH?

An acid/base pH is a measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions (H+) in a solution. Acids have a high concentration of H+ ions, while bases have a low concentration. pH is measured on a scale of 0-14, with 7 being neutral, lower numbers indicating acidity, and higher numbers indicating basicity.

2. How does a reaction affect the pH of an acid or base?

The pH of an acid or base can change after a reaction due to the formation of new compounds. For example, when an acid reacts with a base, the H+ ions from the acid will combine with the OH- ions from the base to form water, resulting in a decrease in the concentration of H+ ions and a higher pH.

3. How do you calculate the pH after a reaction?

The pH after a reaction can be calculated using the Henderson-Hasselbalch equation, which takes into account the initial concentrations of the acid and base, as well as the equilibrium constant of the reaction. Alternatively, it can be measured using a pH meter or pH indicator.

4. Can the pH of a solution change without any added acids or bases?

Yes, the pH of a solution can change without any added acids or bases due to the presence of other substances that can affect the concentration of H+ ions. For example, the presence of certain salts or buffers can impact the pH of a solution.

5. How does temperature affect the pH of a solution after a reaction?

Temperature can affect the pH of a solution after a reaction by altering the equilibrium constant of the reaction. In general, an increase in temperature will result in a higher equilibrium constant, leading to a lower pH for an acid solution or a higher pH for a base solution.

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