Why Are Homology Groups Not MUCH Larger?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the topic of homology in algebraic topology and the definition of the free abelian group of n-chains. The question arises as to why not all paths in a space, such as ##S^1##, are included in this definition. It is clarified that the definition refers to equivalence classes of paths, with multiple paths belonging to one class. This understanding helps to make more sense of the concept. Additionally, it is mentioned that homology is a quotient of modules or vector spaces, with cycles and boundaries representing classes of paths.
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So far, I think algebraic topology is turning out to be the best thing since sliced bread. However, I'm having a bit of difficulty with homology, for one particular reason.

Consider, as an example, the first homology group of ##S^1##. The definition of the free abelian group (or, in general, the ##R##-module) of ##n##-chains is the free abelian group generated by ALL ##n##-simplices. Why do we not include ALL paths in ##S^1## in this definition? Are these not also 1-simplices?

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You are not talking about "paths", you are talking about equivalence classes of paths. Many different paths lie in one equivalence class.
 
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You are not talking about "paths", you are talking about equivalence classes of paths. Many different paths lie in one equivalence class.
AHA! Thank you! That makes soooooo much more sense. :redface::rofl:
 
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To add a little bit, remember that homology is a quotient be it of modules or vector spaces --cycles/boundaries -- which shows the elements to be classes, where two cycles are equivalent (geometrically *) if their difference bounds . And in the case of ##S^1## , the classes are the paths that go around n times. You can see that if you go around a non-integer "number of times" k , then the path can be deformed/homotoped to the path class |_ k _|, where |_ k _| is the greatest integer less than k .* You can also do this purely algebraically.
 
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I can understand your confusion about why homology groups are not much larger. However, the reason for this is related to the fundamental concept of homology itself.

Homology is a mathematical tool used to study topological spaces, and it is based on the idea of "cycles" and "boundaries". In simple terms, a cycle is a continuous path or loop in a space that does not have any "holes" or "gaps" in it, while a boundary is a path that forms the boundary of a higher-dimensional object. The homology group of a space is the collection of all cycles modulo boundaries.

Now, coming to your example of the first homology group of ##S^1##, the reason we do not include all paths in this definition is because not all paths in ##S^1## are considered as cycles. In fact, only closed paths (or loops) in ##S^1## are considered as cycles, while open paths are not. This is because open paths can be continuously deformed into each other without ever creating a "hole" or "gap", while closed paths cannot.

Therefore, the free abelian group generated by all 1-simplices in ##S^1## only includes the closed paths, as they are the ones that contribute to the homology group. Including all paths in the definition would result in a much larger homology group that does not accurately reflect the topological properties of the space.

In summary, homology groups are not much larger because they are based on the fundamental concept of cycles and boundaries, and not all paths in a space are considered as cycles. I hope this helps clarify your understanding of homology. Keep exploring algebraic topology, it truly is a fascinating field of study!
 

1. Why do homology groups exist?

Homology groups exist because they provide a way to measure the topological properties of a space. They were originally developed in algebraic topology as a way to classify spaces and understand their connectivity.

2. How do homology groups differ from other algebraic tools?

Homology groups differ from other algebraic tools because they focus specifically on the topological properties of a space, rather than its algebraic properties. They capture information about the holes and higher-dimensional features of a space, rather than just its basic shape.

3. Why are homology groups not much larger?

Homology groups are not much larger because they are defined in terms of cycles and boundaries, which capture the essential topological features of a space. These cycles and boundaries can be represented by relatively few elements, even in very complex spaces, resulting in homology groups that are not much larger than the space itself.

4. Can homology groups be calculated for any type of space?

Yes, homology groups can be calculated for any type of space, as long as the space is well-defined and has a finite number of dimensions. This includes both continuous spaces, such as curves and surfaces, and discrete spaces, such as graphs and networks.

5. How are homology groups used in scientific research?

Homology groups are used in a variety of fields, including biology, chemistry, physics, and engineering. They can help scientists understand the shape and structure of molecules, the behavior of fluids, the properties of materials, and the dynamics of complex systems. They are also used in data analysis and machine learning to classify and analyze high-dimensional data.

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