Why is friction minimal in a non-ideal ball bounce situation?

In summary, the force applied by the wall on the ball during a collision is only perpendicular to the collision location due to the absence of friction. In an ideal collision, there would be no force along the surface. However, in a non-ideal collision, there may be some minimal frictional force, but it is still negligible compared to the normal force. This is why a back spin can often make a ball bounce back in the opposite direction.
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UMath1
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When a ball is bounced against a wall at an angle why is that the wall only applies a normal force perpendicular to the collision location? Shouldn't the force applied by the ball against the wall be along the line at which it travels, at an angle? Then by that logic, by Newton's 3rd Law, shouldn't the wall's force be in the same direction?
 
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Ideal or non-ideal collision?
 
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Ideal
 
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Normal.
 
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UMath1 said:
When a ball is bounced against a wall at an angle why is that the wall only applies a normal force perpendicular to the collision location? Shouldn't the force applied by the ball against the wall be along the line at which it travels, at an angle? Then by that logic, by Newton's 3rd Law, shouldn't the wall's force be in the same direction?
In a collision without friction at the contact surface, there can be no force along the surface by definition.

Real impacts have friction, but note that a force in the travel direction would make the ball bounce back in the direction it came from. This is not the typical observation, but you can often make a ball bounce back by giving it a back spin.
 
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Can't a force be applied on the wall's surface at an angle though?
 
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Orodruin said:
without friction at the contact surface, there can be no force along the surface by definition.
 
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Only if there is friction. It is the same as any other surface-surface interaction.
 
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Ok. Why is friction a minimal force in a non-ideal situation though? Ball bounces follow an almost perfect reflection trajectory.
 
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UMath1 said:
Ball bounces follow an almost perfect reflection trajectory.



 
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UMath1 said:
Ok. Why is friction a minimal force in a non-ideal situation though? Ball bounces follow an almost perfect reflection trajectory.
In the context of Snooker / Billiards, the friction is a very relevant factor and that situation is one of the nearest to ideal. If it were not, there would be no point (it would be impossible to do) in giving a ball spin.
 

1. What is the force that causes a ball to bounce?

The force that causes a ball to bounce is the force of gravity. When a ball is dropped, it is pulled towards the ground by the force of gravity. As it hits the ground, the ground exerts an equal and opposite force on the ball, causing it to bounce back up.

2. Why does the direction of the ball's bounce change?

The direction of a ball's bounce changes because of the conservation of energy. When a ball bounces, it loses some of its energy to the ground as heat and sound. This reduces the height of the bounce and changes the direction of the ball's motion.

3. How does the surface affect the direction of the ball's bounce?

The surface affects the direction of the ball's bounce by either absorbing or reflecting the energy of the ball. Soft surfaces, such as grass, absorb more energy, resulting in a lower and shorter bounce. Hard surfaces, such as concrete, reflect more energy, resulting in a higher and longer bounce.

4. Does the weight of the ball affect the direction of the bounce?

Yes, the weight of the ball does affect the direction of the bounce. Heavier balls have more momentum and therefore will bounce higher and in a different direction compared to lighter balls.

5. Can the angle of the ball's bounce be predicted?

The angle of the ball's bounce can be predicted to some extent by using the laws of physics, such as the law of conservation of energy and the law of conservation of momentum. However, external factors such as air resistance and imperfections in the surface can also affect the angle of the bounce, making it difficult to predict accurately.

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