Work done due to static friction in a boat-man system

In summary, the discussion revolves around whether the net work done by static friction between a man and a boat floating on water without friction is always zero. It is stated that according to the expressions for displacements of the boat and the man, the static friction should be equal and opposite, but when calculating the net work done using force and displacement, it does not add up to zero. The participants discuss the possibility of missing something vital and question the forces involved in the man's movement and stopping. It is noted that the friction force itself does not do work and that there is no kinetic energy present before and after the man's walk.
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Nikhil Rajagopalan
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In a classic problem where a man walks along the length of a boat floating on the surface of water without friction, Should the net work done due to static friction between the man and the boat be zero. If the length of the boat is L, its mass being M, and the mass of the man being m, the displacements the boat and the man undergo could be calculated as mL / (M+m) and ML / (M+m) respectively. If F is the static friction between the boat and the man, it should be equal and opposite to the boat and the man. On calculating the net work done by the static friction on the boat - man system using F * displacement, even though the signs are opposite, it doesn't add up to zero.

Is the work done by static friction on a system of particles always zero,if the static friction acts only as internal force between the particles? If so, why is it not apparently verified mathematically.
 
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Nikhil Rajagopalan said:
it doesn't add up to zero
Oh ? Can you show that ?
 
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BvU , thank you for attending my query. On trying to prove it, i used the expressions for displacements of the boat and the man, +mL / (M+m) and -ML / (M+m) respectively ,calculated from an external point of reference. The static friction exerted by boat on the man and the man on the boat should be the same, equal and opposite. The product of force and displacement in both the cases here does not add up to zero. I am not certain if i am missing anything vital here.
 
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I don't see a calculation that ends up not zero ?
What force does the man exercise on the boat to get moving ? What force to stop ?
After his walk, both boat and man are stationary. No kinetic energy is present, just like before.
Note that the friction force itself does no work: boat and shoes do not move wrt each other (assuming no slipping) wile the man exerts force on the boat to accelerate or decelerate.
 

1. What is static friction in a boat-man system?

Static friction in a boat-man system refers to the force that must be overcome in order for a boat to move forward through water. This friction is caused by the resistance of the water against the boat's hull and is affected by factors such as the shape and size of the boat, the speed of the boat, and the type of water it is moving through.

2. How is the work done due to static friction calculated in a boat-man system?

The work done due to static friction in a boat-man system is calculated by multiplying the magnitude of the force required to overcome the friction by the distance the boat travels. This work is typically measured in joules and can be used to determine the energy needed to move the boat through the water.

3. What are some ways to reduce the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system?

One way to reduce the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system is to decrease the surface area of the boat's hull, as this will reduce the amount of water resistance. Additionally, using a smoother and more streamlined hull design can also help to reduce the work done due to static friction. Finally, increasing the speed of the boat can also reduce the amount of work done due to static friction.

4. How does the weight of the boat and its cargo affect the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system?

The weight of the boat and its cargo can have a significant impact on the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system. A heavier boat will require more force to overcome the friction, resulting in more work being done. Similarly, a boat carrying a heavier cargo will also require more work to move through the water.

5. Can the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system be negative?

No, the work done due to static friction in a boat-man system cannot be negative. This is because the direction of the force required to overcome static friction is always opposite to the direction of motion. Therefore, the work done will always be positive, representing the energy required to move the boat through the water against the resistance of static friction.

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