Work done via induced charges in a grounded conductor

In summary, Griffiths introduces the method of images for a point charge at a distance ##d## from a grounded conducting plane at potential ##V=0##. When there is no field, the potential energy remains the same even with the charge. However, when there is an external field, the work done on the charges moves them closer to the ground.
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I'm currently studying Method of Images in Griffiths book and in section 3.2 he introduces the method of images for a point charge at a distance ##d## from a grounded conducting plane at potential ##V = 0##.

In subsection 3.2.3, Griffiths compute the energy of the real system and the image charge system and obtain results differing by a factor of 2, The explanation of griffiths is that in the image problem, we do work on both charges bringing them from infinity to a distance ##2d## apart from each other.

However in the real problem, griffiths says that we do work only on the point charge ##q##, since the induced charge on the conductor moves along an equipotential. My problem is: if the potential inside the grounded conductor still ##V=0## even with the external electric field due to the point charge, how charges can be induced, since no force acts on them? And what about the positive charges that go to the Earth? Theres no work over them too?

I've tried to re-read conductors section in griffiths chapter 2, but as long as I remember, he makes no mention to this problem.

_I've already read some questions related to this topic but none of them answered my question_\\

_Also sorry for possible typos, I'm still learning english_
 
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This has to be true. Suppose I start with two real charges. They have a negative potential energy (zero at infinity). Call that energy U. I can insert a conductor for 'free" into the V=0 plane. No work no change in energy. If I remove either charge I get back half the energy. (Charge moves onto the plate but no work is done). Only if I remove both do I get U. QED
 
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GeniVasc said:
My problem is: if the potential inside the grounded conductor still V=0 even with the external electric field due to the point charge, how charges can be induced, since no force acts on them?
If there's no field then there's no work done but there's never 'no field'. This sort of confusion can be resolved if you think in terms of the conductor having some finite resistance. When you go through the process of moving your test charge to the test position, work will be done on the internal charges as they move by an infinitesimal distance through an infinitesimally low field.
There's an equivalent problem when dealing with balls bouncing on a solid concrete slab; you treat the mass of the slab as infinite. The difference between the ideal and practical situations are so small as to allow the approximation. A sensitive enough transducer could measure the amount by which the practical situation deviates from ideal theory.

Near enough is good enough for any theory that's properly stated.
 

1. What is meant by "work done via induced charges"?

When a charged object is brought near a grounded conductor, the charges in the conductor will redistribute to cancel out the external electric field. This redistribution of charges is known as induced charges, and the work done in this process is referred to as work done via induced charges.

2. How is work done via induced charges calculated?

The work done via induced charges can be calculated by multiplying the induced charge on the conductor by the potential difference between the original and final positions of the charged object.

3. What is the significance of grounding in this process?

Grounding plays a crucial role in the redistribution of charges in a conductor. It provides a pathway for the excess charges to flow and neutralize the external electric field, allowing for work to be done via induced charges.

4. Can work be done via induced charges in an insulator?

No, work cannot be done via induced charges in an insulator because insulators do not allow charges to move freely. Therefore, there is no pathway for the charges to redistribute and neutralize the external electric field.

5. How does the distance between the charged object and the grounded conductor affect the amount of work done via induced charges?

The amount of work done via induced charges is directly proportional to the distance between the charged object and the grounded conductor. As the distance increases, the induced charge and potential difference decrease, resulting in a lower amount of work done.

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