Understanding the Safety of Domestic Shaver Sockets: Explained

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The discussion revolves around the safety features of domestic shaver sockets, particularly focusing on the presence of isolating transformers and their effectiveness in preventing electric shock. Participants explore the implications of these features in the context of bathroom receptacles and the potential hazards associated with touching live and neutral connections.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that shaver sockets are equipped with isolating transformers to prevent electric shock, but question whether touching live and neutral simultaneously could still result in a shock.
  • Others explain that GFCI (Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter) capabilities are important for receptacles in bathrooms, noting that GFCI devices can trip if they detect current leakage to ground, potentially preventing serious injury.
  • One participant references historical context, indicating that 'razor only' sockets were previously the standard in bathrooms and discusses the isolation transformer’s role in preventing shock hazards by being electrically decoupled from ground.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mechanics of the isolation transformer, explaining that while it prevents shock from ground potential, touching both output terminals could still lead to a shock.
  • There is a reiteration of the idea that many razors and hair dryers are designed without ground wires, relying instead on insulation from their plastic bodies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of isolating transformers and the safety of shaver sockets. While some agree on the presence of safety features, there is no consensus on the extent of their effectiveness or the risks involved in specific scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of isolation transformers and GFCI devices, but there are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which electric shock could occur, as well as the historical evolution of shaver socket standards.

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I was told that a shaver socket has an inbuilt isolating transformer to prevent electric shock. But surely if someone touched Live and Neutral at the same time, at the socket outlet, they would get a shock? Can someone explain... thanks..
 
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Receptacles located in bathrooms, such as a shaver might be plugged into, should have GFCI capability. You might see a push to test and reset button on the receptacle. Or the breaker supplying the receptacle might be GFCI. GFCI means ground fault circuit interrupting. If the GFCI device detects current leaking to ground it opens the circuit stopping the current flow.
You could still kill yourself getting between the two legs of the supply. But if current were flowing through you to ground the GFCI would trip.
 
I believe that Adz is referring to the original 'razor only' sockets which were the only ones allowed in bathrooms up until a couple of decades ago. A quick Google brought up this explanation.
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Originally Posted by Mark Nicholet
Thanks, I think it would be good idea to recommend replacement with GFI. But, how does this 'razor only' low volt transformer outlet prevent a shock hazard by being isolated from ground? I would think it would increase shock hazard if there is no ground.

Mark, the isolation transformer consists of 2 coils insulated from each other. 120 volts from the household circuit running thru 1 coil produces 120 volts in the secondary coil. You could still shock yourself by touching both of the output terminals. But there is no electrical potential between one of the output terminals and ground, as there is with conventional wiring because it is a little isolated mini-circuit. Drop it in the tub, theoretically no shock!

As for the lack of ground, most razors and hair dryers are 2-prong devices anyways, no ground wire to the chassis, but the plastic body provides insulation.

I'm not sure if it's legitimate to quote someone from another forum without permission, so this might get deleted.
 
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Cool, thanks. I have never seen one.
 
cheers thats, that's exactly what i was thinking.
 
Adz said:
I was told that a shaver socket has an inbuilt isolating transformer to prevent electric shock. But surely if someone touched Live and Neutral at the same time, at the socket outlet, they would get a shock? Can someone explain... thanks..

The isolation transformer electrically decouples the circuit. Essentially, the ground that the utility company provides (at the pole or pad transformer) does not get passed across the transformer (hence the name). Thus one cannot receive an electrical shock from touching only the hot wire will grounded to the earth. However, if one completes the circuit by touching the hot and the return wire then one will indeed receive an electrical shock.

CS
 

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