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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    DaleSpam, Thank you for taking the time to write those examples; they were enlightening, and I agree with your statements. Originally, regarding couples, I didn't want to trust the math because my naïve gut feeling of how a system would behave was wrong. I accept now that my gut feeling is...
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    I don't think you're being dense; I should have said "couple" in the quoted text in post #8. In post #7, I was just using "moment" to illustrate what I meant by "placed at a point". Maybe an assumption of mine is wrong: Imagine drawn on paper an object (unit thickness into the paper). If we...
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    Maybe I should write: "What DOES happen to the steering wheel when we apply a moment about an axis passing through the steering wheel handle at the 3 o'clock position and perpendicular to the paper?"
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    "Placed at a point" is just an indication of the location about which something rotates. Imagine a two dimensional object with a force acting on it (in the same plane as the object). Find the moment of the force about "a point" O on the object. The result is a vector pointing out of (or into)...
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    I agree with your first paragraph. For the case of the couple being placed at the 3 o'clock position on the steering wheel, I would expect the couple to affect rotation of the wheel about that point (about the wheel handle at the 3 o'clock position). However, the reaction force in the axis of...
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    I'm phrasing the example differently to try to avoid misunderstanding: We have a steering wheel. A force, F, is applied downward on the wheel handle at the 9 o'clock position; and there is another force, F, applied upward on the wheel handle at the 3 o'clock position. And say that the wheel...
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    Contradiction in Couple Force: Can Its Point of Application Matter?

    We read that the a couple is a free vector, i.e it does not depend on the point of application. However, please consider the following example: If you apply two equal magnitude forces anti-parallel to each other, one on each side of the wheel, a couple is formed, and so the wheel will rotate...
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