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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Wait, hold on... It works only if trained initial guesses. That is the main problem. It looks like there are tons of solutions to each given. I am traveling tomorrow and I am putting this down for now. Please don't look further into this until I can sort out why the behavior of the convergence...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Ok, I've solved it but ohh boy is it a headache... I didn't want to, but I've solved it using multivariate Newton-Raphson method. I decided to pick two equations that included the following variables: ## T_1## or ##T_2## depending on which is higher as this is a limiting factor. As it has been...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Give me some time before I dig through this, but I think you are spot on. I am using C# and utilizing Newton-Raphson solver method so I think I can reduce this down to a single equation with a single variable. Albeit, there may be two solutions but I think I can come up with an initial value...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Thanks for your reply. I have thought about this over the past few days and I feel this conversation has gone off topic. I want an equation that will dictate the sag given total tension, ##T_{max}## at each end, ##d##, the space distance and, ##y_A## and ##y_B##, the height at each pole. I see...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Ok, I have thought about this more.. The equation I found above, assumes the center position to be ##x = x_A + x_B##. Substituting for ##x_B = x - x_A##, the result is below. $$0 = y_0^2 \cdot [\cosh^2(\frac {x - x_A} {y_0}) -2 \cdot \cosh(\frac {x - x_A} {y_0}) \cosh(\frac {x_A} {y_0}) +...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Thanks for your reply, Geometrically, I agree with ## d^2 = (y_B - y_A)^2 + (x_A + x_B)^2##. I have substituted in the equations for the ##y_A## and ##y_B## and got the result below. $$0 = y_0^2 \cdot [\cosh^2(\frac {x_B} {y_0}) -2 \cdot \cosh(\frac {x_B} {y_0}) \cosh(\frac {x_A} {y_0}) +...
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    Undergrad What is the Unsolvable Catenary Problem?

    Hi all, I am no structural engineer and I have toiled extensively over this for far too long and at this point I am wondering if this problem has a solution with the given variables... It is my understanding that the standard equation for a Catenary is: ##y = a \cdot cosh(\frac {x}{a})##...