Frame Deflection: Solve for B Deflection + Reactions @ A & D in 3-4 Lines

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The discussion revolves around solving for the deflection at point B and the reactions at supports A and D in a structural frame analysis problem. The frame is described as having rigid connections and is supported by pin supports, with a focus on the implications of infinite beam stiffness and load distribution among columns.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the frame as supported by cantilevers, later correcting this to indicate pin supports, which leads to questions about the implications for analysis.
  • Another participant suggests that the load distributes according to the relative stiffness of the columns, implying that the column with higher stiffness bears more load.
  • There is a discussion about the use of beam tables for reactions and deflections, with one participant questioning the application of fixed-end moment equations given the lack of loads along the members.
  • Participants explore the slope-deflection method and express uncertainty about how to handle the infinite EI in their calculations.
  • Clarification is provided that the load distribution is in direct proportion to the stiffness of the columns, with one participant stating that one column takes 1/4 of the lateral load while the other takes 3/4.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the initial conditions of the frame and the implications of infinite stiffness. While there is some agreement on the proportional load distribution based on stiffness, other aspects of the analysis remain contested and unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their understanding of the frame's behavior under load, particularly regarding the application of the slope-deflection method and the implications of rigid connections versus pin connections.

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Students and professionals interested in structural analysis, particularly those dealing with frame deflection and load distribution in engineering contexts.

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I had this as an exam question in my first Structural Analysis course, and couldn't figure it out. The frame is supported by 2 cantilevers at points A and D. The top member is perfectly rigid, that is EI=infinity. E is constant. Solve for the deflection at point B and the reactions at A and D.

Could someone give me an idea of how you could approach this? My Professor said it could be solved in 3 or 4 lines but I sure don't see how. Thanks
 

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The horizontal load distributes to each column in accordance with the relative stiffnesses of each (the column with the higher EI hogs a greater share of the load since deflections at B and C must be equal). Also, because of the infinite beam stiffness, there can be no rotation of joints A and C, so each column is fixed at the base and "guided" at the top. I assume that you can then use beam tables for reactions and deflections?
Note I am assuming rigid connections between beam and column, and not pin connections. This is not that fully clear from the sketch.
 
Thanks for your response! However I made a mistake. The frame is supported by 2 pin supports, not cantilevers. Yes the connections between the beam and columns are rigid so the angle between the beam and columns is 90 degrees. The only table provided have the fixed-end moment equations, but I thought the FEM in each member would be zero since there is no load applied any where along the members.

The way I tried to approach this problem was the slope-deflection method but didn't now how to deal with the infinite EI.When you say more of the load goes to the column with the higher stiffness, is it a direct proportion? Is the load on the right column exactly 3 times the load on the left column?

Thanks!
 
yes it is direct proportion,because you need to know the lateral forces always distribute according to stiffness.
 
zzinfinity said:
Thanks for your response! However I made a mistake. The frame is supported by 2 pin supports, not cantilevers.
Oh OK!
Yes the connections between the beam and columns are rigid so the angle between the beam and columns is 90 degrees. The only table provided have the fixed-end moment equations, but I thought the FEM in each member would be zero since there is no load applied any where along the members.
There are loads applied at the ends, right? They produce moments along the members.
The way I tried to approach this problem was the slope-deflection method but didn't now how to deal with the infinite EI.
Draw a sketch of the pinned-pinned frame with the rigid support at B and C. Superimpose the deflected shape of the frame onto that. Note that for member AB, there is deflection but no rotation at B; and there is rotation but no deflection at A. Looks like a simple cantilever as if B was fixed and A was free, yes? Use your beam table for deflections of a simple cantilever with a point load applied at its end.
When you say more of the load goes to the column with the higher stiffness, is it a direct proportion? Is the load on the right column exactly 3 times the load on the left column?

Thanks!
As Sadeq has already noted, yes (1/4 of the lateral load to one column and 3/4 to the other).
 

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