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I need some advice on my major. I attend an early college high school where I will graduate with my associates degree and I want to go into either physics or aerospace engineering and I’m leaning more towards physics but everyone is telling me to do aerospace because of the job market but I don’t know if I want something more tangible like engineering. I really enjoy physics, mathematics and philosophy and like asking the why behind the things people do. I’m thinking of doing physics and applied math double major or physics and a math minor and definitely want to get masters and PhD. I’m interesting in astrophysics, engineering maybe or theoretical physics. But I know that astrophysics has a lot of coding and I’ve never coded before and I don’t know if I’d enjoy it since I never really learned how to type on a keyboard properly and the concept of coding doesn’t necessarily sound amusing. Any tips on which I should do and the job market would be great. Also, any tips on getting a good gpa in college and things like note taking, what supplies I may need if I do physics vs engineering and any other general tips about college?
 
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Before I weigh in, I'd like to get some more background information, since you stated that you are enrolled in a special high school program in which you will be graduating with an associate's degree. How much college-level physics, math, other science (such as chemistry and biology), and engineering (if any) courses will you have taken? Are there pre-set arrangements with particular universities that will allow you to enter as a junior? Or at least place out of certain general-education requirements? Are you planning on shortening your bachelor's program to less than 4 yrs, or are you willing to spend (up to) a full 4 yrs?
 
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I’d say I’m willing to do either to be honest. The school lets us enter most colleges in the state as a junior. We take a humanities course, 2-3 English courses, Spanish 1 and 2, calculus 1 and 2, 2 or 3 history classes, and chemistry, and some college require public speaking so I think I’ll be taking that. We also take health. I think there’s more but I’ll find that out my second semester of senior year. I ended up telling my college liaison that I wanted to do aerospace but I never really confirmed that with my self but they said the classes for aerospace and physics are the same at the early College.
 
If the classes for aerospace and physics are the same, then you shouldn't feel the need to decide now. Which grades of highschool are you in now? What level are you at with math, and what level are you at with physics?
Which state are you in?
 
Well my school doesn’t offer physics, I took ap precalc and a high school physics class last year. I’m currently a junior but I have to take precalc algebra and precalc again for college credit. I don’t know why since ap precalc is an ap class but I think there’s curriculum is different for precalc trigonometry compared to the trig you learn in ap precalc I think it’s more in depth. Right now I’m self studying calculus 1 and 2, and college physics 1 Although I’ll take 1 and 2 next year anyway. I’m in North Carolina.
 
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I’d say I’m willing to do either to be honest. The school lets us enter most colleges in the state as a junior. We take a humanities course, 2-3 English courses, Spanish 1 and 2, calculus 1 and 2, 2 or 3 history classes, and chemistry, and some college require public speaking so I think I’ll be taking that. We also take health. I think there’s more but I’ll find that out my second semester of senior year. I ended up telling my college liaison that I wanted to do aerospace but I never really confirmed that with my self but they said the classes for aerospace and physics are the same at the early College.

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Well my school doesn’t offer physics, I took ap precalc and a high school physics class last year. I’m currently a junior but I have to take precalc algebra and precalc again for college credit. I don’t know why since ap precalc is an ap class but I think there’s curriculum is different for precalc trigonometry compared to the trig you learn in ap precalc I think it’s more in depth. Right now I’m self studying calculus 1 and 2, and college physics 1 Although I’ll take 1 and 2 next year anyway. I’m in North Carolina.

I'm confused about your academic setup (high school and early college). I'm used to programs in which you graduate high school after grade 12. An associate's degree with the intent to transfer to a bachelor's program would typically then take an additional 2 yrs. How many years does your high school/early college program take? And it's not clear to me when and how many college-level physics and math classes you will be taking (not self study)?
 
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I'm confused about your academic setup (high school and early college). I'm used to programs in which you graduate high school after grade 12. An associate's degree with the intent to transfer to a bachelor's program would typically then take an additional 2 yrs. How many years does your high school/early college program take? And it's not clear to me when and how many college-level physics and math classes you will be taking (not self study)?
So my school takes 4 years, the freshman and sophomore year is spent getting most required high school classes out of the way and taking one college class each semester. We have 4 classes each semester and maybe an additional college class depending on a persons interest. The college side starts junior year and senior year. During junior and senior year you take all college classes related to your major and gen Ed’s. Some people stay to do things like hvac and other stuff. I’m not taking any college classes on physics and the highest math I’ll take is calculus 2. I had an option to do calculus 3 and differential equations my senior year but it costed money.
 
zionri2 said:
Well my school doesn’t offer physics, I took ap precalc and a high school physics class last year. I’m currently a junior but I have to take precalc algebra and precalc again for college credit. I don’t know why since ap precalc is an ap class but I think there’s curriculum is different for precalc trigonometry compared to the trig you learn in ap precalc I think it’s more in depth. Right now I’m self studying calculus 1 and 2, and college physics 1 Although I’ll take 1 and 2 next year anyway. I’m in North Carolina.
You should try your hardest to push for getting in to calculus. See if the college accepts CLEP or AP credit for precalc and if so, use it to place out of precalc. Otherwise, take the CLEP exam once you've self studied calc 1 and use it to place into calc 2.

What do you plan to use to study physics? I recommend physics for scientists and engineers by Randall Knight.
 
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So my school takes 4 years, the freshman and sophomore year is spent getting most required high school classes out of the way and taking one college class each semester. We have 4 classes each semester and maybe an additional college class depending on a persons interest. The college side starts junior year and senior year. During junior and senior year you take all college classes related to your major and gen Ed’s. Some people stay to do things like hvac and other stuff. I’m not taking any college classes on physics and the highest math I’ll take is calculus 2. I had an option to do calculus 3 and differential equations my senior year but it costed money.

OK. This gets even more murky. Some general advice and comments.

(1) Look at potential 4-yr universities that you would be interested in. Look up their bachelor's programs in, e.g., physics and aerospace engineering. Speak to an advisor at your current school. See how the courses at your current school would map into the programs at the 4-yr universities.

(2) With respect to a potential physics major, if you will be graduating from your current school without any college-level physics courses, I don't see how you can enroll in a 4-yr university as a junior. Many majors (such as physics) have a strict prescribed sequence of courses. If you haven't taken equivalent college-level freshman and sophomore physics courses at your current school (if I understand you correctly, they aren't even offered there), then you would have to complete that sequence at a 4-yr university before continuing on to college-level junior and senior physics courses.

(3) It does appear that at your current school, you can complete college-level freshman and sophomore math classes (but you may have to pay extra). Assuming you can transfer these credits to a 4-yr university (confirm!), that would be worthwhile, even if you do have to pay extra. You will need these math courses for physics or engineering majors anyway, and it's better to take them in advance of, rather than in parallel with, the physics and engineering courses. If you take the math courses at a 4-yr university, you will be paying for them anyways (from a financial consideration, check how much you will be paying at your current school vs at a 4-yr university).

(4) It's not a good strategy to choose a major (such as aerospace engineering) strictly based on what is hot in the job market currently. As I've posted many times before, job markets can invert in a year or so. Sometimes dictated by advances in technology; often dictated by changes in government policies, regulations, and funding; and often dictated by the latest fads taught in business schools. You are at least 4 yrs away (and a lot more if you pursue a PhD) from entering the job market.

(5) If you do pursue a PhD in physics in the US, you typically do not apply for a separate master's first.

(6) Given your situation, even if you don't enter a 4-yr university as a junior, you will likely receive some credit for gen ed and math courses. That gives you freedom to take more electives and, perhaps double major, e.g., in physics and engineering (of some sort). At this point, you've stated that an intended major in physics or aerospace engineering won't affect the program in your current school. So, when you do enroll in a 4-yr university, try out physics along with various engineering courses and see what sparks your passion.

One advantage of a double major in physics and engineering is that you can seamlessly decide on your graduate program (if any). If you choose physics, you really should go the PhD route. But with most branches of engineering, you can stop with a master's if you so choose. Even if you do go the physics route, the engineering background will be advantageous should you choose to be an experimentalist, rather than a theoretician.
 
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I'm skeptical of this program It may work for certain majors, but I see it as a challenge for physics/engineering majors. As @CrysPhys suggests, get a course catalog of several universities that you will consider. They should indicate any prerequisites and course sequence. Start by assuming you can enter as a real junior. Work out a schedule. Determine how you need to structure your remaining HS coursework. Pay attention to the required core curriculum; most schools require 36 to 40 hours.


You can expect to take 120 credit hours, which usually translates to 40 classes or five per semester. You say you are now taking four classes per semester, which can cover the core curriculum if all courses are transferable. So make sure they are transferable. But it leaves little time for major courses that would have been taken in the first two years.

If you enter as a junior, you will probably be taking five physics/ engineering/math courses each semester, which is a load. In a normal four-year program, you would probably only have taken four major courses.

Finally, how are you handling your current program? Remember, university is a notch up from the effort that a usual HS program requires.

Good Luck
 
I currently have all As and 1 B in my college classes. The option for calculus 3 is gone now, it was kinda like you had to pass a test then pay the money to take it but i didn’t have the money. All of my advisors and people I know from my school who are currently in college are doing the engineering first year thing which states that if you’re in any engineering major you have to do the path before you actually pick I think, I’m not sure, I think Purdue has that so I’m gonna learn more about it, if they’re in engineering and my advisors say to enter as a freshman and only enter as a junior if you don’t need things like physics or certain other classes. I may consider double majoring or just adding engineering classes to see which I enjoy. I don’t know why the university is like that my school though like I would’ve had to pay to take calculus 3 just so that I can take physics 1.
 
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I currently have all As and 1 B in my college classes. The option for calculus 3 is gone now, it was kinda like you had to pass a test then pay the money to take it but i didn’t have the money. All of my advisors and people I know from my school who are currently in college are doing the engineering first year thing which states that if you’re in any engineering major you have to do the path before you actually pick I think, I’m not sure, I think Purdue has that so I’m gonna learn more about it, if they’re in engineering and my advisors say to enter as a freshman and only enter as a junior if you don’t need things like physics or certain other classes. I may consider double majoring or just adding engineering classes to see which I enjoy. I don’t know why the university is like that my school though like I would’ve had to pay to take calculus 3 just so that I can take physics 1.
Check carefully. Many engineering majors require some physics courses, either offered by the physics department or a "physics for engineers" sequence.
 
Yea I noticed that when I was looking at some colleges and noticed the overlap for physics and aerospace happens a lot. I just still am figuring out which to do or do both so that I can base extra curricular or colleges because some don’t have like certain physics like astrophysics or theoretical and some don’t have aerospace for example so I’m really trying to be certain about which one I want to do but I don’t really have any experience between the two except for a physics high school class which I really enjoyed
 
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Yea I noticed that when I was looking at some colleges and noticed the overlap for physics and aerospace happens a lot. I just still am figuring out which to do or do both so that I can base extra curricular or colleges because some don’t have like certain physics like astrophysics or theoretical and some don’t have aerospace for example so I’m really trying to be certain about which one I want to do but I don’t really have any experience between the two except for a physics high school class which I really enjoyed
Read "introduction to flight" by John Anderson to get a sense of what aerospace engineering is about.
 
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Yea I noticed that when I was looking at some colleges and noticed the overlap for physics and aerospace happens a lot. I just still am figuring out which to do or do both so that I can base extra curricular or colleges because some don’t have like certain physics like astrophysics or theoretical and some don’t have aerospace for example so I’m really trying to be certain about which one I want to do but I don’t really have any experience between the two except for a physics high school class which I really enjoyed

Outside of classes at your current school, have you pursued any activities related to science and engineering? For example, have you participated in any science fairs or science clubs? Near your home is there a science museum (perhaps with a planetarium) that hosts activities that you have attended and that have piqued your curiosity? Does your school have a maker's space that let's you design and build things?

Do you have access to a telescope (or even binoculars)? Do you monitor the phases of the moon and wonder why they occur like that?

Do you have access to a microscope (or even a magnifier)? Have you monitored a drop of salt solution as it evaporated, watched salt crystals grow, and reacted "Wow!"

You mentioned aerospace engineering as an option because you think it might be a hot field for jobs. But are you interested in aviation? Are you a member of a club? Do you want to fly? Are you curious about what makes things fly? There are contests to see who can design paper airplanes that can fly the furthest or the fastest. Any interest there? Have you launched 'rockets' propelled by water from a garden hose or fueled by a mixture of baking soda and vinegar?

There are high school kids who design and build (e.g., via a 3D printer) prosthetics for injured humans and animals. Are you one of them?

There are high school kids who learn elements of mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, and computer science by designing and building battling robo vehicles and engaging in contests. Are you one of them?

What excites you?
 
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My school only has robotics club which I recently joined and outside of school I have wondered things about the moon or space and things like that and I find things like designing and stuff fun but I feel like I am more of a theoretical person so I’m probably gonna go into physics as a major or physics and math double. When I was in middle school I had to build a rocket out of pvc pipes and it was pretty fun so things like aerospace and rockets still interest me but I will probably have more fun learning about physics as a whole and then branching onto more subfields.
 
Hello everyone, I think I am going to do a physics major and physics and math double major now. I ended up reading some of introduction to flight and although it’s pretty interesting I don’t see myself wanting to study it as much as physics or math but I will see if I can take engineering classes to actually get a feel for it.