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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done in a thermodynamic process involving a monatomic gas. Participants are exploring the area under curves in a pressure-volume diagram to determine work done during various segments of the process.

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  • Participants discuss finding work by calculating the area under curves and suggest integration as a method for determining these areas. Questions arise regarding the setup of integrals and the application of principles for isentropic processes.

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There are multiple approaches being explored, including the use of integrals and the application of specific formulas for isentropic processes. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made about the gas being monatomic and how that influences the calculations.

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Well to start off I know the gas is monatomic

I can find the work done by finding the area under each curve/line:

W_{AB} = p_0(2v_0-v_0) = p_0v_0
W_{CD} = (p_0/32)(8v_0-16v_0) = \frac{-p_0v_0}{4}

I can't think of how to find the area under the other two curves, I am guessing integration but I don't know how to set it up.

After I find these other to, what do I do?

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I can't see the attachment yet, but finding the area between two curves is easy. The easiest way to do it is to subtract the area under the lower curve from the area under the upper curve.

If you did it in one integral, you could set up the limits of integration from one curve to the other.
 
for isentropic expansion and compression in ICEs we use the same principle u used to find the first 2 works.
we use : W= (PoVo-PoVo/4)/(1-k) k=Cp/Cv. for isentropic adiabatic compression or expansion.

How did u know the gas was monoatomic?
 
eaboujaoudeh said:
for isentropic expansion and compression in ICEs we use the same principle u used to find the first 2 works.
we use : W= (PoVo-PoVo/4)/(1-k) k=Cp/Cv. for isentropic adiabatic compression or expansion.
Where do you get this? It works for BC but not DA

Generally, for reversible adiabatic paths:

(1) W = K\frac{V_f^{1-\gamma} - V_i^{1-\gamma}}{1-\gamma}

where K = PV^\gamma

This is just the integral \int dW where dW = dU = PdV = KV^{-\gamma}dV (dQ=0)

Since for DA P_f = 32P_i and V_f = V_i/8 the numerator in (1) is simply:

P_fV_f - P_iV_i = 32P_iV_i/8 - P_iV_i = 3P_iV_i

for BC, P_f = P_i/32 and V_f = 8V_i the numerator in (1) is simply:

P_fV_f - P_iV_i = 8P_iV_i/32 - P_iV_i = -3P_iV_i/4

How did u know the gas was monoatomic?

Apply the adiabatic condition PV^\gamma = constant to one of the adiabatic paths and solve for \gamma.

AM
 
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Thanks Andrew
 

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