Cardinality of a basis of an infinite-dimensional vector space

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The discussion revolves around the cardinality of bases in infinite-dimensional vector spaces, specifically addressing the existence of a bijective function between any two bases. Participants explore the use of transfinite induction in proving this concept, with a focus on both countable and uncountable cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about applying transfinite induction to prove the existence of a bijective correspondence between bases of an infinite-dimensional vector space.
  • Another participant suggests that the proof for finite cases might extend to infinite cases, prompting further exploration.
  • A proposed method involves well-ordering the generating set and independent set, leading to a series of linear dependence arguments to show that the cardinalities of the bases are equal.
  • Concerns are raised about the ability to find elements to remove from the generating set when it is not countable, questioning the validity of the proof in such cases.
  • One participant presents a formal solution and invites feedback, indicating a desire for peer review of their reasoning.
  • Another participant points out a potential flaw in the proof regarding the handling of limit cases and the need for clarity in constructing the basis sets.
  • There is a suggestion that proving the cardinality of any basis of an uncountable vector space might be easier than the current approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the proposed proof and the handling of certain cases, particularly regarding well-ordering and limit cases. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the proof's correctness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on well-ordering assumptions and the handling of uncountable sets, which may not be adequately addressed in the proof. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps related to the induction process.

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I am reading "The linear algebra a beginning graduate student ought to know" by Golan, and I encountered a puzzling statement:

Let V be a vector space (not necessarily finitely generated) over a field F. Prove that there exists a bijective function between any two bases of V. Hint: Use transfinite induction.

If V is generated by a finite set (with n elements), then I know how to prove that any basis has at most n elements, and thus all bases will have the same number of elements. But for infinite-dimensional vector spaces, I'm confused. How do I use transfinite induction to prove that there is a bijective correspondence between two bases of V if V is infinite-dimensional?
 
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Doesn't the same proof work?
 
Well the proof of the finite case goes like this:

G = {v_1,...,v_n} is a generator and D={w_1,...,w_m} is an independent set. Then join the w's to the beginning of G and remove the v's out until we're left with all the w's with some v's left over at the end, and so m<n. I will try this for the infinite dimensional case (though it's going to be weird because the process will never terminate, I guess that's where the transfinite induction comes in)...

And what if G and/or D is not even countable? I should well-order them?
 
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Let G = {v_1,...,v_n,...} be a generator and D={w_1,...,w_m,...} an independent subset of an infinite-dimensional vector space V (after well-ordering G and D). Then
{w_1,v_1, v_2,...}
is linearly dependent and so one of the v's can be removed and the resulting set still span V. Continuing,
{w_1,w_2, v_1, v_2,...}
is linearly dependent and so one of the v's can again be removed. Continue in this manner, we have by transfinite induction (which applies since D is well-ordered):
D U G' spans V (where G' is a subset of G), and |D U G'| = |G|.
Thus |D|<=|G|.

So if A and B are two bases of V, then |A|<=|B| (since B generates V) and |B|<=|A| (since A generates V). Thus |A|=|B| by the Schroeder-Bernstein Theorem, i.e. there is a bijective correspondence between any two bases of V.

Am I on track?
 
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Here's my formal solution. Opinions are welcomed.
 

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Additions to my proof:

Some of you may question whether we can actually find such a vector v_m1 from G to delete, since not every element of G will have an index from the natural numbers using its well-ordering relation (if G is not countable). But if no such index m1 from the natural numbers exists, then that would mean that every finite subset of B1 is linearly independent, so that by definition B1 itself is linearly independent, a contradiction. The same applies to the other v_mi from G.

Also, I omitted some cardinal arithmetic at the end of my proof:
|DUG'| = |G|
|DU(G'-D)| = |G| (since D and G' are not necessarily disjoint)
|D| + |G'-D| = |G|
|D| = |G| - |G'-D| <= |G|
 
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I think the solution has a problem.
You wrote that :


We have just shown above that if, ...Thus 0 D is inductive

But I think you didn't prove the above clame.

Since the proof you gave only for those W_n which has a predecessor element.

In fact, you can well-order, but can't always well-order like natural numbers.
 
You have most of the proof down, just a few minor tweaks are needed. Hodge is right that you need to address the limit case as well, but I also think that you mean to construct B_n by adding w_n to B'_n-1 instead of just B_n-1, which isn't clear in your initial examples. It might be easier to prove that any basis of an uncountable vector space has the same cardinality as the vector space itself.

EDIT: I just looked at the date of the OP's post. Looks like this thread has been dead for a long time.
 
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