Problem of Calculus: derivative, i guess logarithmic differentiation

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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving derivatives, specifically considering the use of logarithmic differentiation. Participants are exploring the appropriate methods to differentiate a function defined as f(x) rather than y.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using logarithmic differentiation and discuss its applicability to the given function. Others propose using the sum rule for derivatives and differentiate components separately. There is also mention of a specific solution involving a complex expression, prompting requests for clarification on the derivation process.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing various approaches and questioning the validity of different methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differentiation process, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants are working with images of the problem statement and potential solutions, which may limit the clarity of the discussion. There is an emphasis on ensuring that all steps in the differentiation process are clearly communicated.

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My question is how I can solve the equation I gave above.

Should I use logarithmic differentiation?

Because I think that the logarithmic differentiation is used when y = (the equation) but my problem is f (x) = (the equation).

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try using (f+g)'=f'+g', then use logarithmic differentiation for f and g separately.

In your link to worked example, first option is wrong because you never took derivative in sense of a^(5x-1) for instance. Second option is wrong because Log does not distrubute across addition like that.
 
What about this possible solution to the problem:(x^{(5x-1)}\frac{5x-1}{x}+5lnx) - 2xe^{(11-x^2)}
 
BlaZz said:

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My question is how I can solve the equation I gave above.

Should I use logarithmic differentiation?

Because I think that the logarithmic differentiation is used when y = (the equation) but my problem is f (x) = (the equation).

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Hello BlaZz. Welcome to PF !

It really helps us, if you make your images visible in your post.

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BlaZz said:
What about this possible solution to the problem:(x^{(5x-1)}\frac{5x-1}{x}+5lnx) - 2xe^{(11-x^2)}

Show us how you got that.

The \displaystyle -2x\,e^{11-x^2} is the derivative of \displaystyle e^{11-x^2}.
 

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I attach the procedure for which i got the result, i need that someone say me if i am right or wrong.

Thanks to all the members that comment in my thread and try to help me.
 

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I attach the procedure for which i got the result, i need that someone say me if i am right or wrong.

Thanks to all the members that comment in my thread and try to help me.
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Yes, that answer looks fine !
 
So, I gave the x5x-1 term to WolframAlpha to differentiate.

WolframAlpha did not use logarithmic differentiation. Instead, it used the following scheme.
Suppose we have a function that can be expressed in the following way,

\displaystyle f(x)=g\left(u(x),\,v(x)\right)

then the derivative of f(x) can be obtained as follows.

\displaystyle \frac{d}{dx}f(x)=\frac{d}{dx}g\left(u(x),\,v(x) \right)=\frac{\partial g(u,v)}{\partial u}\frac{d\,u(x)}{dx}+\frac{\partial g(u,v)}{\partial v}\frac{d\,v(x)}{dx}
For the case of \displaystyle f(x)=x^{5x-1}\,, we have \displaystyle g(u,\,v)=u^v\,, where \displaystyle u(x)=x\,, and \displaystyle u(x)=5x-1\,.

∂g/∂u treats the function g, as if the base of the expression, in this case x by itself, is the part with the variable, and treats the exponent as being constant, as is the case of a power function.

∂g/∂v treats the exponent of the expression, in this case x by itself, as being the part with the variable, and treats the base as being constant, as is the case of an exponential function.
 

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