Why F- has less energy than F?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics of fluorine atoms when they capture an electron to form a negative ion (F-). Participants explore the implications of electron affinity, effective nuclear charge, and the stability of electron configurations in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that atoms almost filling their upper band release energy when becoming a negative ion, suggesting a positive electron affinity, but questions why the ionized state is less energetic than the original state.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the energy dynamics, asking why energy would be required to create F- given the same potential and increased electron repulsion.
  • It is proposed that the extra electron is attracted to the nucleus once it is within the mean distance of the other electrons, which affects the screening of the nuclear charge.
  • A participant questions whether the new electron contributes to screening, suggesting that the effective nuclear charge might increase and decrease potential energy.
  • Clarification is provided that the other electrons do not completely screen the nuclear charge at small distances from the nucleus, impacting the energy release during the capture of the electron.
  • Another participant concludes that the effective charge appears slightly positive to a distant electron due to the incomplete screening by other electrons, which may explain the energy release.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the energy dynamics involved in the formation of F-. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the energy release, and multiple viewpoints are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about electron screening and effective nuclear charge that are not fully explored. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical implications of these concepts.

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It's a basic matter that atoms almost filling their upper band release energy when they become a negative ion, equivalent to say that they have a positive electron affinity. But I don't understand why the ionized state is less energetic than the originial one in this kind of atoms; having the same effective charge, one could think that since the Coulomb potential doesn't change, and there are more electrons, the energy should increase after the process. And I know that in that state more orbitals are filled with pairs of electrons and it's more "stable", but how does it influence and how could you get to that conclusion?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I fear I don't understand your question.
 
Why Fluor free energy when it captures an electron? since the potential is the same and the repulsion is greater, shouldn't you have to give energy to create F-?
 
The extra electron gets attracted by the nucleus once it is within the mean distance of the other electrons. These become ineffective in screening the nuclear charge at these distances.
 
Do you mean that the new electron contributes to the screening, increasing the effective nuclear charge and decreasing the potential energy?
 
jorgdv said:
Do you mean that the new electron contributes to the screening, increasing the effective nuclear charge and decreasing the potential energy?

No, I wanted to say that the other electrons won't completely screen the nuclear charge at small distances from the nucleus.
 
Alright, but that happens with or without the new electron, so it shouldn't affect the energy, right? Then why does the atom release energy?
 
Because this unscreened nuclear charge attracts the electron.
 
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Alright I think I got it, so due to the small distances of the other electrons to the nucleus, the effective charge would seem slightly positive to an electron far away because they don't screen it completely, right?
 

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