Limitations of Cramer's Rule in Solving Systems of Equations

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The discussion revolves around the limitations of Cramer's Rule in solving systems of linear equations, particularly when the determinant of the coefficient matrix is zero. The original poster shares an example of a system of equations where Cramer's Rule did not yield a solution, prompting questions about when this method might fail and alternative approaches to finding solutions.

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which Cramer's Rule fails, particularly focusing on the determinant of the matrix. There are inquiries about systematic methods to solve for unknowns when Cramer's Rule is not applicable. Some participants provide examples of systems that do not have unique solutions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various participants contributing insights about the limitations of Cramer's Rule and suggesting alternative methods like Gaussian elimination. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in determining the nature of solutions for specific systems of equations.

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Participants note that Cramer's Rule is not applicable for non-square matrices and that the method may not be the most efficient for larger systems compared to other techniques. There is also mention of the potential for infinite solutions or no solutions in certain cases.

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i usually solve 3 unknown sim equations using cramer's rule because it's systemic and fast, however today i encountered an equation that cramer's rule failed against age old tradition elimination and substitution method

-2A + B = -2
-2A - B - C = -4
2A - 3B - C = 0

usually i don't get nice interger numbers like that...
- how do i determine if a set of equations will fail to cramer's rule?
- any other helpful comments ?
 
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If the determinant of the original matrix equals 0 then it will fail Cramers rule, otherwise it should always work...
 
is there anyway to design a systematic way to calculate the 3 unknowns when cramer rule fails?
 
hanhao said:
is there anyway to design a systematic way to calculate the 3 unknowns when cramer rule fails?

Not really.
Consider that:
x+y+z=1
2x+2y+2z=2
3x+3y+3z=3
doesn't have a unique solution

and
x+y+z=1
x+y+z=0
3x+8y+10z=52
doesn't have any solutions.

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CramersRule.html
 
If the determinant of the right hand side is 0, the only way Cramer's rule can fail, there is no one solution: either there are NO values of A, B, C that make the equations true or there are an infinite number of solutions.

In the particular system you give, it's not too hard to show that there are an infinite number of solutions and show how to get them.

Subtract the second equation from the first and you get 2B+ C= 2. Add the first and last equations and you get -2B- C= -2. Since those are the same, you can pick either B or C however you like and solve for the other.
In particular, C= 2- 2B. From the first equation A= 1+ B/2.
Taking B to be any number at all, A= 1+ B/2, C= 2- 2B gives solutions to the equations. For example, if you take B= 2, then A= 2, C= -2 is a solution:
-2(2)+ 2= -4+2= -2
-2(2)- 2-(-2)= -4- 2+ 2= -4
2(2)- 3(2)-(-2)= 4- 6+ 2= 0

Or, taking B= 6, then A= 4, C= -10 is a solution:
-2(4)+ 6= -8+ 6= -2
-2(4)- 6- (-10)= -8- 6+ 10= -4
2(4)- 3(6)-(-10)= 8- 18+ 10= 0

Indeed, taking B= 4000, then A= 2001, C= -7998 is a solution!
-2(2001)+ 4000= -4002+ 4000= -2
-2(2001)-(4000)-(-7998)= -2002- 4000+ 7998= -8002+ 7998= -4
2(2001)- 3(4000)-(-7998)= 4002- 12000+ 7998= 12000-12000= 0.
 
hanhao said:
is there anyway to design a systematic way to calculate the 3 unknowns when cramer rule fails?

Gaussian elimination will always work.

Cramer's rule will also not apply if your coefficient matrix is not square.

Cramer's rule is also not something I'd describe as "fast". Even to find just one of the variables you'd have to find two determinants. Compare with the time it takes to solve the entire system by gaussian elimination. This will depend on the size of the system of course, but elimination quickly overtakes cramer for speed.
 

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