What exactly is maximum symmetrical swing?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of maximum symmetrical swing in bipolar junction transistors (BJTs), exploring its definition, implications, and the conditions necessary for achieving it. Participants examine the relationship between bias points and voltage swings, as well as the potential for distortion in output waveforms.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the term "maximum symmetrical swing" and questions whether "unsymmetrical swing" exists.
  • Another participant provides an analysis involving specific voltage values (Vcc = 12V, Vc = 6V, Ve = 2V, Vinput = 1V) to illustrate how to achieve a large voltage swing by setting the bias point at 0.5Vcc.
  • It is noted that for Vce = 4.5V, the maximum symmetrical swing is +/- 4.5V, while for Vce = 3V, it is +3V and -3V, and for Vce = 1V, it is +1V and -1V.
  • One participant mentions that even in the absence of clipping, a waveform can still be distorted and asymmetrical, particularly in a resistor load common emitter stage where even harmonics may be prominent.
  • A participant acknowledges the helpfulness of the provided pictures and explanations regarding the effects of bias points on waveform symmetry.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of maximum symmetrical swing, and there are multiple viewpoints regarding the implications of bias points and waveform distortion.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the operation of BJTs in the active region and the effects of biasing on waveform characteristics, but these assumptions are not universally agreed upon.

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I see this term quite a lot for BJT's and I can't quite figure out exactly what it is, although I have some idea based on a bit of reading from different sources.

Is there such a thing as unsymmetrical swing, and what would that be?
 
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Try to analysis this example

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Vcc = 12V; Vc = 6V (red plot ); Ve = 2V (green plot) ; Vinput = 1V (blue plot).


To make sure that BJT work in the linear region and to achieve a large voltage swing you need to set the bias point (voltage at collector) equal to 0.5Vcc (and this assumption automatically ensures that the BJT will work in the active region).

And this imagines show why we need Vce = 0.5*Vcc

Vce=4.5V maximum symmetrical swing +/- 4.5V
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Vce=3V maximum symmetrical swing +3V and -3V
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Vce=1V
maximum symmetrical swing +1V and -1V
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So to amplifier our input signal waveform ( positive half and negative half) without distortion we need to set dc bias point at 0.5Vcc.
 
Even if there is no clipping, you can have distorted waveform that is not symmetrical. For a resistor load common emitter stage, even harmonics are quite high and if you look at the wave form, one side is fatter and the peak amplitude is a little lower than the other side. It is progressively more prominent as the output swing increases.
 
I like the pics and explanation, Jony!

:approve:
 
Ah...thanks a lot for those pictures I see now what happens when the bias point is not half of Vcc.

That was very helpful.
 

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