What Methods Can Be Used to Prove Sequence Divergence?

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The discussion centers on methods for proving the divergence of sequences, specifically exploring conditions under which a sequence can be deemed divergent. Participants examine various approaches and examples, including the implications of limits that do not exist or approach infinity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about methods to prove divergence, suggesting that if the limit of a function representing a sequence does not exist but is not infinite, the sequence may diverge.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial inquiry, affirming that if the limit approaches infinity, the sequence must diverge.
  • A challenge is presented regarding the sequence a_{n} = sin(2πn), questioning whether it diverges despite the limit not existing.
  • Responses clarify that the limit of the sequence converges to zero when considering integer inputs, while the limit does not exist when extending the function to real numbers.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the interpretation of the function f(n) and its domain, prompting a reevaluation of the original statements about divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of specific sequences and the conditions for divergence, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the domains of the functions discussed, particularly regarding integer versus real inputs, which may affect the conclusions drawn about divergence.

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I'm trying to understand divergence of a sequence (not series). What methods can I use to prove divergence? I know that convergence can be proven using various methods, such as squeeze theorem and sum, difference, product and quotient rule etc.

Could I use the following to prove divergence?

If a_{n} is a sequence of real numbers, f(n) = a_{n} and \lim_{n→∞} f(n) does not exist, but is not equal to ∞ or -∞, does a_{n} necessarily diverge?

If a_{n} is a sequence of real numbers, f(n) = a_{n} and \lim_{n→∞} f(n) = ∞, does a_{n} necessarily diverge?

These two ideas will greatly facilitate my understanding of sequence divergence.
Thanks!

BiP
 
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Yes to both questions.
 
micromass said:
Yes to both questions.

Hey micro, but what about the sequence a_{n} = sin(2πn). It is the case that
\lim_{n→∞}f(n) does not exist, yet the limit of a_{n} converges to 0, right??

BiP
 
The limit \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} f(n) does exist and is zero. (I assume that n is always an integer)

However, if you extend f to f(x)=\sin(2\pi x) for x\in\mathbb{R}, then the limit \lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty} f(x) doesn't exist.
 
Bipolarity said:
\lim_{n→∞}f(n) does not exist

Why do you say that?

Edit: ninjaed
 
micromass said:
The limit \lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty} f(n) does exist and is zero. (I assume that n is always an integer)

However, if you extend f to f(x)=\sin(2\pi x) for x\in\mathbb{R}, then the limit \lim_{x\rightarrow +\infty} f(x) doesn't exist.

micromass, I'm sorry I think I misphrased my question. When I refer to f(n) in my original post, I refer to it as a function with domain ℝ as opposed to a_{n} which I take to be defined only for natural numbers.

Given this clarification, which of the following original statements is true and why?

BiP
 

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