What is the relationship between quantum mechanics and quantum field theory?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between quantum mechanics (QM) and quantum field theory (QFT), exploring how QM can be viewed as an approximation of QFT and the implications of this relationship in various contexts, including particle interactions and condensed matter physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that QM is a (0+1) approximation of QFT, suggesting that QM may ignore certain spatial degrees of freedom inherent in field theory.
  • Others argue that QFT unifies special relativity and QM, with QFT's basic ingredients being fields that correspond to particles, while QM relies on wavefunctions.
  • It is noted that perturbation theory is used in both QM and QFT to describe interactions, with intermediate states violating the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP) for brief periods.
  • One participant mentions that removing the special relativity aspect from QFT leads back to QM, provided the number of particles remains fixed.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of relativistic quantum mechanics, with some suggesting it is a flawed combination of QM and special relativity that necessitates QFT for a true unification.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the application of QFT in condensed matter physics, where non-relativistic quantum fields are frequently utilized.
  • Participants clarify that creation and annihilation operators exist in both QM and QFT, but their roles differ significantly between the two theories, particularly in processes like beta decay.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between QM and QFT, with no consensus reached on the exact nature of their connection or the implications of relativistic quantum mechanics. Multiple competing perspectives remain on how these theories interact and their applicability in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the relationship, including the dependence on definitions of terms like "fixed number of particles" and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical steps in the transition from QM to QFT.

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I've read on a few websites, as well as having heard from my professors that the relation between QM and QFT is that QM is the (0+1) approximation of QFT.

Does mean that QM ignores the spatial degrees of freedom of field, or is there something else to it, or have I got it all completely wrong.

Basically I'm asking in what situations does QFT reduce to QM.
 
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Son Goku said:
I've read on a few websites, as well as having heard from my professors that the relation between QM and QFT is that QM is the (0+1) approximation of QFT.
Does mean that QM ignores the spatial degrees of freedom of field, or is there something else to it, or have I got it all completely wrong.
Basically I'm asking in what situations does QFT reduce to QM.

QFT is the unification of special relativity and QM.

In QM the basic ingredient are wavefunctions.
In QFT the basic ingredient are fields of which the fluctuations correspond to particles.

To describe interactions one uses perturbation theory (in the case of a small coupling constant, ie interactions are not too strong) in both theories. When going from the initial state (just before the interaction) to the final state (just after the interaction) one passes through the socalled intermediate states. These states violate the HUP for a very short while. In QM, the virtual states really are just a sequence of possible states one has to pass in order to go from the initial state to the final state. In QFT, these states correspond to virtual particles because these states are described in terms of fluctuating fields.

Take out the special relativity part and you are back in QM, if the number of particles in the quantumstate remains fixed. Read the EDIT

regards
marlon

EDIT : i forgot to add this : In quantum mechanics, physics is described in terms of wavefunctions that correspond to quantum states of a system. It is important to realize that there is a basic demand for this theory to work : a fixed number of particles. However, for the systems in which particles are created and destroyed, the above demand is not respected. Well, the solution is the introduction of quantum field theory, ie : second quantization...So the first quantization goes from classical field theory to QM (with fixed amount of particles) and the second quantization goes from QM to QFT (variable amount of particles through creation and annihilation.)

In short : classical field -->"first quantization" -->wavefunction (QM)--> "second quantization" --> Quantum fields (QFT)
 
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And what about the QFT treatment of BCS? Hardly uses a relativistic quantum field. Condensed matter uses non-relativistic quantum fields all the time.
 
marlon said:
Take out the special relativity part and you are back in QM
regards
marlon
Thanks very much for the quick reply.
Just with regard to your last point, I've heard of texts refer to relativistic quantum mechanics, is this a combination of QM and SR which still leaves you with QM, but is flawed in some manner, so you need to introduce QFT anyway?

In other words you can combine QM and SR into relativistic QM, but their true unification is QFT.
 
Lonewolf said:
And what about the QFT treatment of BCS? Hardly uses a relativistic quantum field. Condensed matter uses non-relativistic quantum fields all the time.

Indeed, in order to answer i wrote an EDIT in my first post.

marlon
 
marlon said:
Indeed, in order to answer i wrote an EDIT in my first post.
marlon

And an excellent answer it was :smile:
 
Son Goku said:
Thanks very much for the quick reply.
Just with regard to your last point, I've heard of texts refer to relativistic quantum mechanics, is this a combination of QM and SR which still leaves you with QM, but is flawed in some manner, so you need to introduce QFT anyway?
What texts ? It is difficult to answer this question if i do not have the context within which such a statement is made.

Again, it is not just that QFT = QM + special relativity. Read the EDIT in my first post. There is this important aspect of "fixed number of particles in a quantumstate". Bsides creation and annihilation operators exist both in QM and QFT, but in QM they raise or lower the energy of a state, in QFT these operators actually can create an extra electron (this does NOT happen in QM) for example. This happens in beta decay and also explains why beta decay CANNOT be explained in terms of QM.


marlon
 
The phrase "relativistic quantum mechanics" used to be applied to Dirac's theory.
 
selfAdjoint said:
The phrase "relativistic quantum mechanics" used to be applied to Dirac's theory.
Yes, Dirac's equation was being referred to.
That explains it, thanks.

marlon said:
Again, it is not just that QFT = QM + special relativity. Read the EDIT in my first post. There is this important aspect of "fixed number of particles in a quantumstate". Bsides creation and annihilation operators exist both in QM and QFT, but in QM they raise or lower the energy of a state, in QFT these operators actually can create an extra electron (this does NOT happen in QM) for example. This happens in beta decay and also explains why beta decay CANNOT be explained in terms of QM.
Sorry, I made my post before you made your edit.
Thanks for the addition it makes more sense now.
 
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