Exp(x) is its own derivative (proven axiomatically)

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the exponential function E(x) is its own derivative using the property E(x)E(y)=E(x+y). Participants explore various approaches to this proof without relying on the power series expansion, while also addressing the convexity of E(x).

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  • One participant suggests starting with the definition of a derivative to gain insights into the problem.
  • Another participant notes that for any positive number a, the property a^(x+y)=(a^x)(a^y) holds, but only for a=e does this function equal its derivative, implying the need to use a definition of e.
  • A participant proposes differentiating the equation E(x)E(y)=E(x+y) after substituting x=y, leading to the conclusion that E(x)E'(x) is proportional to E(2x).
  • Another participant discusses the integral representation of the exponential function and its implications for proving that the exponential function is its own derivative.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the implication that a function g(x) satisfying g(x)=g(2x) for all x must be constant, questioning the necessity of continuity in this argument.
  • Several participants explore the conditions under which a continuous function can satisfy the functional equation related to the exponential function.
  • Another participant suggests defining a^x through a limit process to establish continuity and differentiability without assuming these properties initially.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to assume continuity for the function g to conclude that it must be constant.

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Participants express various viewpoints and approaches, with no consensus reached on a single method to prove that E(x) is its own derivative. Disagreements arise regarding the assumptions necessary for the proofs, particularly concerning continuity and differentiability.

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Some participants assume continuity and differentiability of the exponential function, while others seek to establish these properties from the functional equation. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the best approach to prove the claims without relying on power series.

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How do you show that the exponential function is its own derivative by using the fact that E(x)E(y)=E(x+y). Don't assume the derivative exists either. You can use any other property of E(x) that you can think of, but you are supposed to use the fact above primarily.
(that is, without using the obvious power series expansion argument)

I think it must be something so obvious that I am missing it altogether! Thanks for the help.

Oh, and while you're at it, how would I then show that E(x) is convex?
 
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Start with the definition of a derivative, that should give you an idea.
 
Note that for any positive number a, a^(x+y)=(a^x)(a^y), but only for a=e does this function equal its derivative. So you'll need to use one of the definitions of e. The definition as the limit of (1+1/n)^n should work nicely for this problem.
 
Regarding your second question, there's a caracterisation that says "f differentiable is convex <==> f ' is monotically increasing"
 
de1irious said:
How do you show that the exponential function is its own derivative by using the fact that E(x)E(y)=E(x+y). Don't assume the derivative exists either. You can use any other property of E(x) that you can think of, but you are supposed to use the fact above primarily.
(that is, without using the obvious power series expansion argument)

I think it must be something so obvious that I am missing it altogether! Thanks for the help.

Oh, and while you're at it, how would I then show that E(x) is convex?

If E(x)E(y)=E(x+y), than, by taking x=y, it follows [E(x)]^{2}=E(2x). Differentiate wrt "x" and then get

2 E(x) E&#039;(x) = 2\frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)}

which means


E(x) E&#039;(x) = \frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)}
E(x)E(x) =E(2x)

Assume E(x) not equal 0 for any x in R. Divide the 2 eqns and then you get that

\frac{1}{E(x)} \frac{dE(x)}{dx} = \frac{1}{E(2x)} \frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)} = C

, where C is an arbitrary real constant. From the double equality above it follows that

\frac{dE(x)}{dx} =C E(x)

qed.


Daniel.
 
From the definition of integral (in the form of a series) and the property:

f(x)f(y)=f(x+y) you get...that the integral of f(x)=exp(x)

\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}f(x+nh)h=f(x)\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}f(nh)h=f(x)\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}[f(h)]^{n} h=f(x)\frac{h}{f(h)-1}

so.. the "integral" of the exponential would be the proper exponential multiplied by a constant of value \frac{h}{f(h)-1} where h is a very small quanity...:-p then if a function and its integral are equal but a constant we conclude that the derivative would be the function multiplied by another constant.
 
dextercioby said:
...and then you get that

\frac{1}{E(x)} \frac{dE(x)}{dx} = \frac{1}{E(2x)} \frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)} = C

, where C is an arbitrary real constant.
I'm sure I'm missing something really simple here, but it doesn't seem trivial that a result of the form "g(x)=g(2x) for all x" implies that g is constant. Of course if I try a specific form of g, like a second degree polynomial, I will find that all coefficients are zero except the constant term, but that doesn't prove that the conclusion holds if h is allowed to be something other than a polynomial. So how do you show that this g must be constant?
 
Take the derivative wrt "x" of g(x)=g(2x).

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
2 E(x) E&#039;(x) = 2\frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)}

Why the 2 on the RHS if you're differentiating wrt '2x'? ...assuming I'm following your notation correctly?
 
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t!m said:
Why the 2 on the RHS if you're differentiating wrt '2x'? ...assuming I'm following your notation correctly?

Chain rule:
<br /> \frac{dE(2x)}{dx}=\frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)}\frac{d(2x)}{dx}=2\frac{dE(2x)}{d(2x)}

(He states he's differentiating wrt "x" not "2x." You may have missed that.)
 
  • #11
here is one approach i like:

Theorem: If f(x) is a continuous function defined on all reals such that
1) f(0) = 1,
2) f(x+y) = f(x) f(y), for all reals x,y,
then f(1) = a > 0, and f(x) = ax for all real x.then define g(x) as the integral from t=1 to t=x of dt/t. it follows g is differentiable with derivative 1/x, that g(1)=0 and with a little argument using MVT that g(xy) = g(x)+g(y). thus the inverse of g is a differentiable exponential function f with derivative f' = f.

If one defines e as the number such that g(e) = 1, then one gets that f(1)= e, so f(x) = e^x.
 
  • #12
Apart from mathwonk's reply, I feel that most of the posters ASSUMES continuity, and in some cases differentiability of the exponential.

Personally, I would like to show that there indeed EXISTS a continuous function satisfying the functional equation given by mathwonk, and then work out from there.

However, the simplest way to do this is perhaps to use the power series representation disallowed at the outset..:frown:
 
  • #13
my appproach of course is to show there exists an invertible differentiable function satisfying the inverse functional equation g(xy) = g(x)+g(y). it then follows from the inverse function theorem that there also exists a differentiable function satisfying the exponential functional equation. so my post is at least logically self contained, and does not assume either existence of the exponential or differentiability.

Dieudonne, proves there isa unique continuoua function g such that g(xy) = g(x)+g(y) and g(a) = 1, if a>0 and a is not 1. then he takes the inverse function of g as the exponential function. this gives the functinoal equation but not the differentiability.

from the functional equation he then derives diiferentiability using an integral representation of a^x. i.e. if h(x) = the integral from 0 to x of a^x, he uses the functional equation and change of variables, to deduce that h(x) which is differentiable, is a constNT MULTIPLE OF a^x, which is thus also differentiable.
 
  • #14
given a positive number a>1 say, one can define a^n for all integers n, and then define a^(n/m) as the mth root of a^n. then for arbitrary x one can take a^x as the least upper bound of all numbers of form a^(n/m) where
n/m < x.

then this definition amkes a^x continuos from below, and increasing. it should follow that it is actually continuous, with some work, and satisfies the functional equation, by con tinuity, since it does on rational arguments.

then dieudonne's trick gives differentiability i guess. so this probably does it as requested.
 
  • #15
dextercioby said:
Take the derivative wrt "x" of g(x)=g(2x).
It still looks very non-trivial to me. I defined g(x)=E'(x)/E(x). You showed that g(x)=g(2x) for all x. OK, let's take the derivative with respect to x. Now we know that g'(x)=2g'(2x) for all x, but how does that help us? I don't see it.

However, I realized something when I was thinking about it. It seems plausible that a function g that isn't continuous can satisfy these conditions, so we probably have to use that g is continuous everywhere to show that g is a constant.

If I'm right, we have to assume that E' exists everywhere and is continuous everywhere. But even with those assumptions, I don't see how to proceed.
 
  • #16
For a any positive numbers, ax+h= axah so
ax+h- ax= axah- ax= ax(ah-1).

Then a^{x+h}- a^x= a^x(a^h- 1) so that
(e^x)&#039;= \lim_{h\leftarrow 0}\frac{a^{x+h}-a^x}{h}= a^x\left(\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^h- 1}{h}\right)

If you prove that
\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{a^h- 1}{h}
exists, then you have proved that the derivative of ax is a constant times ax. Define "e" to be the value of a such that that constant is 1.
 

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