X^3=x => R is a commutative ring

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a ring \( R \) where the equation \( x^3 = x \) holds for all elements \( x \) in \( R \). Participants explore whether this condition implies that \( R \) is a commutative ring, and they attempt to generalize the findings for \( x^k = x \) where \( k \) is an integer greater than 3. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical exploration of ring theory.

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  • One participant suggests a method for proving commutativity using the identity \( x^2 = x \) and derives that \( 2 = 0 \) in the context of the ring.
  • Another participant points out that using \( x^3 = x \) leads to \( 6x = 0 \), which complicates further analysis without assuming the absence of zero divisors.
  • Several participants express difficulty in generalizing the argument for \( x^k = x \) due to the complexity introduced by additional terms and the presence of potential zero divisors.
  • A participant proposes examining the expressions \( (x+y)^3 \) and \( (x-y)^3 \) to derive identities that might help in proving commutativity.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of considering the set \( S = \{ 3x | x \in R \} \) and shows that \( S \) is commutative, suggesting a potential pathway to proving the commutativity of \( R \).
  • Multiple participants share various manipulations and identities derived from the original equation, but express uncertainty about how to simplify or utilize these results effectively.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof of commutativity for the ring \( R \). There are multiple competing views and approaches, with some participants suggesting potential pathways while others express skepticism about the assumptions needed to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to the presence of zero divisors and the assumptions required for certain manipulations. The discussion reflects a range of mathematical reasoning without resolving the complexities introduced by higher powers or the structure of the ring.

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If R is a ring, and has the property that x^3=x for all x in R, then show R is commutative. Generalize for x^k=x, k an integer >3.

I can do this for x^2=x. First use x^2+x^2=x+x=(x+x)^2 = 4x^2 (abusing notation a little) which means x^2+x^2=x+x=0, ie, x=-x for all x in R. Then x^2+y^2=x+y=(x+y)^2 = x^2+xy+yx+y^2, which gives xy+yx=0. But since xy=-xy, we have xy=yx, and R is commutative.

I try to generalize using the same basic idea, but there are a lot of extra terms, and it seems impossible to do anything with R and its elements being so general (ie, I can't cancel anything because I don't know if anything is a zero divisor). Can anyone give me a hint?
 
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When you have the identity x² = x, there's a shorter way to do that first part:

4 = 2² = 2

and therefore 2 = 0.


Anyways, why don't you show the rest of what you've done? Maybe you're on the right track and just need a slight nudge.
 
Well, if x^3=x, then by the same method we get 6x=0, which isn't very helpful (and this gets even worse as k is increased), and xxy+xyx+xyy+yxx+yxy+yyx=0, which can be factored to (x+y)(xy+yx)+xy^2+yx^2=0. Now, if there were no zero divisors and a 1, we'd have x(x^2-1)=0 => x^2=1, and I could get a little further, but I can't assume that. I'm stuck.
 
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Now, if there were no zero divisors and a 1, we'd have x(x^2-1)=0 => x^2=1, and I could get a little further, but I can't assume that. I'm stuck.
With that assumption you can't get any further: problem's done! x=0, x=1, or x=-1, and so your ring has at most 3 elements.

(Okay, I guess that is a little further. I just like being dramatic!)



Well, if x^3=x, then by the same method we get 6x=0, which isn't very helpful
It's certainly information. And it suggests stuff, like maybe trying (x+2y)³, (x+3y)³, (x+4y)³. amd (x+5y)³. Actually, that last one sounds very interesting to me, since it's the same as (x-y)³.


Have you tried any other manipulations with the leftover terms? It strikes me that you can write down interesting identities when you multiply it by stuff, but I don't know how much it helps yet.
 
Ok, I got something interesting, but I'm still stuck. Here's what I got:

x^3+y^3=(x+y)^3 \Rightarrow x^2y+xyx+yx^2+y^2x+yxy+xy^2=0

x^3-y^3=(x-y)^3 \Rightarrow x^2y+xyx+yx^2-(y^2x+yxy+xy^2)=0

We know 6x=0, and it turns out any other expression like (nx+my)3 does not give anything new when reduced mod 6 (as far as I can tell). Define \alpha=x^2y+xyx+yx^2. Now:

x \alpha x=x^3yx+x^2yx^2+xyx^3=2xyx+x^2yx^2

x^2 \alpha x^2=2x^2yx^2+xyx

Then since \alpha=-\alpha from above, we have:

x^2 \alpha x^2 = x^2 \alpha x^2 -x(\alpha +\alpha)x

=2x^2yx^2+xyx-4xyx-2x^2yx^2 = -3xyx=3xyx

Then:

0=x \alpha x + x(x^2 \alpha x^2)x = 2xyx+x^2yx^2 -3x^2yx^2=2xyx-2x^2yx^2

So we have:

2xyx=2x^2yx^2

and similarly with x and y switched. But like I said, I'm stuck. The only way I can think to isolate xy and yx, which I'll need to do at some point, is to expand a higher power of x+y (eg, I know x3y=xy). But there are so many bad terms here, and the identities I've found so far do nothing to simplify them. Do you have any other suggestions? Thanks for your help so far.
 
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I haven't gotten much further. :frown: Though I was looking at some other quantities too: (1+x)³ and (xy - yx)³.

I don't have much intuition for noncommutative rings, so I can't divine a nice, clever approach to this! :frown:


My best idea at the moment is to notice that anything of the form a² satisfies the equation x² = x, to which I think you can apply your previous method. I.E. (x²)² = x² is satisfied by everything.
 
Let R be a ring such that x^3 = x for every x in R, then R is commutative ring.

My steps are:

Given : x^3 = x --------------(a)

Replace x by (x+x)

(x+x)^3 = (x+x)

(x+x) (x+x) (x+x) = (x+x)

( x^2 + x^2 + x^2 + x^2 )(x+x) =x+x
(4x^2 ) ( 2x) = 2x
8x^3 = 2x
8x = 2x by (a)
6x=0 ------------------------(b)

Consider

(x^2 – x)^3 = (x^2 – x)
(x^2 – x) (x^2 – x) (x^2 – x) = (x^2 – x)
(x^4 – x^3 – x^3 + x^2 )(x^2 –x) = ( x^2 – x)
(x.x^3 – 2x^3 + x^2)(x^2 – x) = x^2 – x
(x.x – 2x +x^2)((x^2-x) =x^2 –x by (b)
(x^2 – 2x + x^2)(x^2-x) = x^2 – x
(2x^2 – 2x) ( x^2 – x) = x^2 –x
2( x^2 – x) ( x^2 – x)= x^2 – x
2(x^4 – x^3 – x^3 + x^2) = x^2 – x
2(x.x^3 – 2x^3 + x^2) = x^2 – x
2(2x^2 – 2x) = x^2 – x
4x^2 – 4x = x^2 – x
3x^2 = 3 x ---------------------(c)

Consider S = { 3x | x in R }

It can be easily checked that S is a sub ring of R.

For y in R,

y^2 = (3x)^2 = 9x^2 = 6x^2 + 3x^2 = 6x. x + 3x^2 = 0 + 3x = 3x = y

 y^2 = y for all y in S implies that S is commutative.

So ( 3x) (3y) = (3y)(3x)

9xy = 9yx

Now Consider

(x+y)^3 = x+y

(x+y) (x+y) (x+y) = (x+y)
(x^2 + xy + yx + y^2) (x+y) = (x+y)
x^3 + xyx + yx^2 + y^2 .x + x^2. y + xy^2 + yxy + y^3 = x + y

x + xyx + yx^2 + y^2 .x + x^2. y + xy^2 + yxy + y^3 = x + y by (a)

xyx + yx^2 + y^2 .x + x^2. y + xy^2 + yxy = 0 ------------(g)

Now again

(x-y)^3 = x-y

implies

xy^2 – x^2.y – xyx – yx^2 + yxy + y^2. x = 0 ----------(h)


adding (g) and (h), we get

2xy^2 + 2yxy + 2y^2.x = 0 ---------------(k)

Multiply (k) by y on right

2xy^3 + 2yxy^2 + 2y^2.xy = 0

2xy + 2yx y^2 + 2y^2.xy = 0 ------------------(l)

Multiply (k) by y on left

2yxy^2 + 2y^2. xy + 2y^3.x = 0

2yxy^2 + 2y^2. xy + 2y.x = 0 --------------(m)

Subtract (l) from (m)

-2xy + 2yx = 0

2yx = 2xy

Which shows that R is commutative.
 
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