Examples of Perceived Patterns Proven Wrong

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The discussion revolves around examples of conjectures based on perceived patterns that have been proven wrong, particularly in mathematics and science. Participants share personal anecdotes and examples to illustrate how easily one can be misled by patterns that do not hold universally.

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  • One participant mentions Fermat's conjecture regarding Fermat numbers being prime as a known example of a perceived pattern that was proven wrong.
  • Another participant provides a specific example of a sequence of numbers (31, 331, 3331, 33331, 333331, 3333331) that are all prime, but notes that 333333331 is composite, challenging the perceived pattern.
  • A participant shares a personal conjecture from childhood about the product of consecutive primes plus one being prime, which holds for several cases but fails for larger products, specifically noting 2*3*5*7*11*13+1 = 30031 is composite.
  • Another participant references Sloane's sequence of primes where the product of a prime and all lower primes plus one is also prime, contributing to the discussion of patterns in prime numbers.

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Participants share various examples of perceived patterns that have been proven wrong, but there is no consensus on a singular example or overarching conclusion. The discussion remains open with multiple viewpoints and examples presented.

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Some examples provided are based on personal experiences and conjectures, which may not have been rigorously tested or proven. The limitations of these conjectures are acknowledged by participants, particularly regarding the breakdown of patterns at higher terms.

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Dear All,

Could you give me examples of conjectures based on perceived patterns but proved to be wrong? Fermat numbers, with Fermat's conjecture that all Fermat numbers are primes, would be one example that I know of. I would appreciate elementary examples which are easy to understand.

The reason that I am asking for this is that I am doing some business studies, and I would like to persuade fellow students (and maybe the tutors), with examples, that it is very easy to jump to the wrong conclusions from perceived patterns.

Besides maths, any science example would also be welcome.

Regards
 
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here is one:
31, 331, 3331, 33331, 333331, 3333331, 33333331 are all prime numbers. but 333333331 (this one has eight 3's) is composite.

333333331 = 17*19607843
 
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murshid_islam said:
here is one:
31, 331, 3331, 33331, 333331, 3333331, 33333331 are all prime numbers. but 333333331 (this one has eight 3's) is composite.
Cool, haven't seen that before! :smile:
(Of course, what I found surprising with this, was that the pattern didn't break down earlier).
 
I had a little conjecture (easily proved false) when I was a schoolkid. The product of consecutive primes from 2 to any prime PLUS one was prime.

Pattern seemed true for :

1) 2 + 1 = 3
2) 2*3 + 1 = 7
3) 2*3*5+1 = 31
4) 2*3*5*7+1 = 211
5) 2*3*5*7*11+1 = 2311

but broke down for

2*3*5*7*11*13+1 = 30031 = 59*509

Higher order terms broke the pattern too (are the remainder all composite? That would be equally fascinating if true).

Oh well, it was fun for the day or so of excitement it afforded my young mind! :smile:

(BTW, the similar sequence for product of primes MINUS one breaks down much earlier).
 
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Curious3141, Sloane's http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A018239 = {2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 31, 379, 1019, ...} is the list of primes such that the product of that prime and all lower primes, plus one, is itself prime.
 
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CRGreathouse said:
Curious3141, Sloane's http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A018239 = {2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 31, 379, 1019, ...} is the list of primes such that the product of that prime and all lower primes, plus one, is itself prime.

Thanks for that. I never followed up on the sequence properly. :smile:
 
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