Which alternative fuels do you support?

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The discussion revolves around various alternative fuels and energy sources, including solar, wind, fission, fusion, biomass, and others. Participants explore the viability, efficiency, and potential applications of these alternatives in the context of reducing reliance on fossil fuels.

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  • Some participants advocate for fission as a reliable energy source, citing its global applicability, while others express concerns about safety, proliferation, and public acceptance.
  • Solar energy is noted for its decentralized nature and growing popularity, though some argue it needs to become more efficient to be widely accepted.
  • Fusion is mentioned as a potential future energy source, but participants acknowledge it is not currently viable for power generation.
  • Biomass and biofuels are discussed, with one participant highlighting the carbon neutrality of burning wood from sustainably managed sources.
  • Concerns about the environmental impact of fossil fuels, particularly gasoline and coal, are raised, with some participants arguing for a diversified energy approach.
  • Some participants suggest that a mixture of different energy sources would be the best solution to avoid dependency on a single fuel type.
  • The discussion touches on the challenges of implementing nuclear power in developing countries, with concerns about safety and environmental considerations.
  • Participants mention the potential of wave and tidal energy, particularly in coastal areas, as a viable alternative.
  • There is a debate about the role of bio-weapons in the context of energy discussions, indicating a shift in focus from energy sources to security concerns.

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Participants express a range of opinions on alternative fuels, with no clear consensus on which is superior. While some support fission and others advocate for solar or a mix of sources, significant disagreements remain regarding safety, efficiency, and environmental impact.

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Participants highlight various assumptions about the feasibility and safety of nuclear power, the efficiency of renewable sources, and the environmental implications of different fuels. The discussion reflects a complex interplay of technical, ethical, and practical considerations without resolving these issues.

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This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring alternative energy solutions, environmental policy, and the technical challenges associated with various energy sources.

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There's solar, wind, fusion, fission, plant oil biofuels, biomass burning, hydroelectricity, tide & wave power, and more. There is much talk of fuels alternative to the old fossil fuels, which do you think are superior?
 
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I have to support fission since it is the only one(other than solar, which needs to become more efficient for people to accept) that can be used for power anywhere on the globe.(Since fusion can't be used for power anywhere on Earth, at least not yet.)
 
Solar seems to be taking off & it's decentralized
 
Aye, I would have to go with fission as well.
 
Fission, solar, fusion.
 
cookies...
 
They all sound good to me. Solar, Wind and Wave are great for some places that can accommodate them, and for everywhere else there's fission (and Fusion!?)
 
I have a woodlot full of trees and an efficient wood stove. I am burning carbon that is currently in-cycle and that has not been sequestered for hundreds of millions of years.
 
  • #10
It's a no brainer - biodiesel is the solution.
 
  • #11
russ_watters said:
Fission.

kghjfhjh

Fission for everyone? You rightfully deleted the thread from the meltdown crank last week, but what about proliferation?
 
  • #12
Fission, fission, and more fission.
 
  • #13
Fission: Terrorism; proliferation of nuclear materials; too much regulation needed to build the plants in time; the public and will never allow it.

Never going to happen to a significant degree.
 
  • #14
Gasoline and dirty coal.
 
  • #15
I've always thought the best solution is a little of everything. Dependance on a single fuel can turn ugly, and they all have their up sides and downsides anyway.
 
  • #16
cyrusabdollahi said:
Gasoline and dirty coal.

:smile::smile:
 
  • #17
Ivan Seeking said:
Never going to happen to a significant degree.
Doesn't France get 80% of it's electricity from nuclear and export more of it?

Ivan Seeking said:
Fission: Terrorism
What did you say again when we had the following conversation?:
Mk said:
We should eventually convert to nuclear as the main energy source in the United States.
Ivan Seeking said:
The terrorists would love that
Mk said:
Oh, I suppose then that we should stop building skyscrapers too because they're such a good target.
 
  • #18
I've never been too scared of a nuclear war. it's a measure too grandiose and is sure to alienate and harm the attacker; I doubt a country would want to engage in nuclear war unless they have a suicide wish.

now bio-weapons... those scare the **** out of me.
 
  • #19
moe darklight said:
now bio-weapons... those scare the **** out of me.

Have they ever been used?
 
  • #20
A mixture of different energy sources would be the best solution. So as not to rely on only one thing.
 
  • #21
Mk said:
Have they ever been used?

yea, I know... but it's the silence of a bio-weapon that scares me. A virus can spread fast, not show any symptoms for weeks, and be next to impossible to trace to know who the attacker was.
 
  • #22
moe darklight said:
yea, I know... but it's the silence of a bio-weapon that scares me. A virus can spread fast, not show any symptoms for weeks, and be next to impossible to trace to know who the attacker was.
Well, I wasn't being offensive, I was just asking if they were really.

Bio is the scariest I think too :eek:
 
  • #23
Mk said:
Doesn't France get 80% of it's electricity from nuclear and export more of it?

What percent of their total energy usage comes from nuclear, including petro energy?
QED

What did you say again when we had the following conversation?:

So you don't see a difference between buildings and dirty bombs? Buildings are a target - you know, like nuclear reactors are a target - and not weapons.
 
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  • #24
There are some viable alternatives, but I wish the world would focus on a few, rather than a huge amount.

Fusion, hydrogen cells combined with wind and solar power for the rich nations.
 
  • #25
The Uk could be powered by wave power and bio fuel.
 
  • #26
Mk said:
Doesn't France get 80% of it's electricity from nuclear and export more of it?
Ivan Seeking said:
What percent of their total energy usage comes from nuclear, including petro energy?
QED
70-something.

As for terrorists, come on.
 
  • #27
To defend Ivan, nuclear would not be so much a problem in this country. The problem is access to nuclear material in outside countries where the controls and transport are not as secure as over here.

The countries that need alternative fuel are mostly 3rd world countries because they are big polluters. Are you going to give them nuclear power plants? Umm, probably not.

Look at China, big time polluters. Would I want them using nuclear power? They can't even make safe consumer products, now there going to be safe with nuclear material? Yeah, right.
 
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  • #28
cyrusabdollahi said:
The countries that need alternative fuel are mostly 3rd world countries because they are big polluters.
A lot of times people that are struggling to live don't have time to be nice to the environment, that's just how it goes.
Look at China, big time polluters. Would I want them using nuclear power?
What do you think about pebble-bed?
 
  • #29
moe darklight said:
yea, I know... but it's the silence of a bio-weapon that scares me. A virus can spread fast, not show any symptoms for weeks, and be next to impossible to trace to know who the attacker was.

like resident evil:confused::confused:
 
  • #30
Mk said:
A lot of times people that are struggling to live don't have time to be nice to the environment, that's just how it goes.

<shrug, that's tough for them.>


What do you think about pebble-bed?

I don't know what a pebble-bed is.
 

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