Solving Change in Temp. Homework w/Maxwell's & Coeff. of Thermal Exp.

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The discussion revolves around an experiment involving the change in temperature of a solid under high pressure, specifically examining the relationship between pressure changes and temperature changes in a thermally insulated sample. The context includes concepts from thermodynamics, particularly Maxwell's relations and thermal expansion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of holding certain variables constant while examining the relationships between pressure, temperature, and entropy. There is a focus on deriving expressions related to the change in temperature in terms of pressure changes and other thermodynamic properties.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about constant variables and discussing the implications of Maxwell's relations. Some have provided insights into the relationships between thermodynamic quantities, while others seek further clarification on the underlying concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the treatment of pressure as a constant and the implications of small changes in pressure. The discussion also highlights the variability in material responses to pressure changes, indicating that the outcome may differ based on the material properties.

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Homework Statement


This is an experiment done on solid at high pressure. If the pressure is increased by an amount \Deltap, this being done under condition where the sample is thermally insulated and at a sufficiently slow rate that the process can be regarded as quasi-static, what is the resulting change of temperature \DeltaT of the sample ? If\Deltap is fairly small, derive an expression for \DeltaT in terms of \Deltap, the absolute temperature T of the sample, its specific heat at constant pressure cp (in ergs g-1 deg -1), its density rho (in g/cm3), and its volume coefficient of thermal expansion \alpha(in deg -1)

Homework Equations



dv = \alphaV dt

Maxwell's equations

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I started from an expression for coefficient of thermal expansion and tried to relate it with maxwell's equation. The constant terms in maxwell's equations are very confusing.
 
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Well, first of all, what variable are you going to hold constant?

(P.S. They're usually referred to as Maxwell relations to distinguish them from all that B-field and E-field stuff.)
 
Since the questions says "If \Delta p is fairly small, " is it ok to consider p as a constant? Other variables \DeltaT and \DeltaV do change. I am rather confused.

Thank you
 
Unfortunately, we can't assume \Delta P is zero because we have to divide \Delta T by \Delta P (that is, we want to find (\partial T/\partial P)_X, where X is the variable we hold constant). Since we've eliminated pressure, temperature, and volume, what's left? We're blocking heat transfer; besides energy, what flows during heat transfer?
 
P,V,T all change. It means that the only entity left in Maxwell's relations is S. So are you suggesting\DeltaS is a constant?
 
Yes, S is constant, or \Delta S is zero.
 
Thank you ! Can you please explain a bit further about what is actually going on in the problem? Its rather hard to picture the problem for me.
 
The experiment involves pressurizing a solid. Will the solid heat up or cool down, and by how much for a given increase in pressure? The effect is somewhat related to thermal expansion, in which we observe how the volume of a solid changes for a given temperature increase at constant pressure. You should be able to write the differential term (e.g., (\partial Y/\partial Z)_X) for each effect, and manipulate them via Maxwell relations.

It turns out that even the sign of the answer can vary between materials--some materials heat up under pressure, some cool down--so I wouldn't try to intuit the answer through visualization. You have to go through the (admittedly abstract) calculations.
 
To find the partial derivative at constant S, you can write:

dS =\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right)_{T}dP + \left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T}\right)_{P}dT

If you equate dS to zero and solve for the ratio dT/dP you got your partial derivative at constant S. Now, you can express the partial derivate of S w.r.t. T at constant P in terms of the heat capacity at constant pressure. But what to make of the partial derivative of S w.r.t. P at constant T? Well, we have the findamental thermodynamic relation:

dE = T dS - P dV

We can write:

T dS = d(TS) - S dT

and

P dV = d(PV) - V dP

This means that:

dE = d[TS - PV] -SdT + V dP ---------->

d[E + PV - TS] = -S dT + V dP

Define G = E + PV - TS. The above relatiomn implies that minus S is the partial derivative of G w.r.t. T and constant P and that V is the partial derivative of G w.r.t. P at constant T. Then the fact that te second derivative of G w.r.t. P and T does not depend on the order of differentiation implies that:

\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial P}\right)_{T}=-\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_{P}

So, the partial derivative of S can be expressed in terms of the thermal expansion coefficient.
 
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Brilliant !
 

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