Analyse XRD Data to Find Lattice Constant & Crystal Structure

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The discussion revolves around analyzing X-Ray Diffraction (XRD) data to determine the lattice constant and crystal structure of Tungsten Carbide or Tungsten-Cobalt. Participants explore the application of Bragg's Law, peak indexing with Miller Indices, and the use of JCPDS files for reference data.

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Main Points Raised

  • Mr. Fogg inquires about the correctness of using half the measured angle in the Bragg equation and setting n=1.
  • Some participants confirm that it is correct to use half the angle and that Bragg's Law uses degrees, not radians.
  • Mr. Fogg expresses confusion about obtaining negative d values in his calculations and questions the indexing of peaks with Miller Indices.
  • Participants suggest using the JCPDS file for reference data to find fixed values of d and corresponding (hkl) planes.
  • There is a discussion about converting angles and the implications of using radians versus degrees in calculations.
  • Mr. Fogg identifies a mistake in his calculations related to formatting in his data file, which led to incorrect angle values.
  • Participants discuss the relationship between the wave vector and the z-component in the context of the experiment.
  • There is a question about the parameters in the equation for indexing peaks and how to find lattice parameters for non-cubic cells.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the use of Bragg's Law and the need for reference data from JCPDS files. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the conversion of angles and the implications of negative d values, as well as the specifics of indexing peaks and the parameters involved in the equations discussed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the correct application of equations for non-cubic crystal structures and the potential for confusion in calculations due to data formatting issues.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers and students working with X-Ray Diffraction data, particularly in materials science and crystallography, may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,
I have X-Ray Diffraction Data: Intensity versus angle 2 \Theta and shall find out the lattice constant and even better the crystal structure. The Data is from a \Theta-\ThetaDiffractometer. \lambda = 1,54 \cdot 10^{-10}m

I know that I have to find the peaks and can calculate d from the Bragg equation:
d = n \lambda/2 \sin\theta
Is it correct to take half of the measured angle for the equation and to set n=1 in this case?

Moreover my problem is, I don't know how to find out the lattice constant and the structure by calculating d. I don't have any data to compare d with (where do I get this data?).
I know that the material ist Tungsten Carbide or Tungsten-Cobalt with hexagonal crystal structure, but I shouldn't use this information beforehand. What shall I do?

Regards,
Mr. Fogg
 
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Hello,
thanks!

Do I also have to convert 2 \Theta into Radians when I use the Bragg's Law? In my calculation, I sometimes get a negative d , is that possible?

How do I Index the peaks with Miller Indices?

I don't know, how this equation helps me

\frac{1}{d_{hkl}^2} = \frac{4}{3} \frac{h^2+hk+k^2}{a^2} + \frac{l^2}{c^2}
 
Phileas.Fogg said:
Hello,
thanks!

Do I also have to convert 2 \Theta into Radians when I use the Bragg's Law? In my calculation, I sometimes get a negative d , is that possible?

no, theta in Bragg’s law is in degrees. it's not possible at all to have d as a negative value



How do I Index the peaks with Miller Indices?

I don't know, how this equation helps me

\frac{1}{d_{hkl}^2} = \frac{4}{3} \frac{h^2+hk+k^2}{a^2} + \frac{l^2}{c^2}

look for the JCPDS file of this compound [it is a reference data that holds both the fixed values of d for all possible peaks of the material, and the corresponding (hkl) planes], use this equation along with Bragg’s law to solve, you know that two equations are needed to solve for two variables [which are the lattice constants a and c. of course you use the value of the measured d at a certain peak, that is a certain plane where it can be identified using the JCPDS card, do this for two peaks then solve], good luck!
 
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Thank You,
where can I get the JCPDS file?

When I convert the measured angle 2 \Theta into the z-component of the wave vector with

q_{z,i} = \frac{4 \pi}{\lambda} \sin(\alpha_i)

do I have to halve 2 \Theta ?

Mr. Fogg
 
Phileas.Fogg said:
Thank You,
where can I get the JCPDS file?


search the net! look for tungsten carbide (WC) JCPDS powder diffraction file

ps. JCPDS = International Center for Powder Diffraction Data



When I convert the measured angle 2 \Theta into the z-component of the wave vector with

q_{z,i} = \frac{4 \pi}{\lambda} \sin(\alpha_i)

do I have to halve 2 \Theta ?

Mr. Fogg

I don’t quite follow you, what is this for?
 
drizzle said:
no, theta in Bragg’s law is in degrees. it's not possible at all to have d as a negative value

One measured peak is for example at 2 \Theta = 157523,511°. In my calculation

1) Division by 2 gives \Theta = 78761,756 °
2) Converting into radiants (for OpenOffice Calc) gives \Theta = 1374,652
3) now calculating (with OpenOffice Calc) \sin(\Theta) = -0,979

So I get a negative d now! What's wrong? Maybe I am too stupid to handle OpenOffice Calc in this case :-p

If I don't convert into radiants, the problem is still present concerning other peaks.

Mr. Fogg
 
drizzle said:
I don’t quite follow you, what is this for?

The new wave vector in our experiment is final minus initial wave-vector:

\vec{q} = \vec{k}_f - \vec{k}_i

and it's z-component is

q_z = 2 k \sin(\alpha_i)
 
Phileas.Fogg said:
One measured peak is for example at 2 \Theta = 157523,511°. In my calculation

ehim :biggrin:, I think this is the value of the maximum intensity, right? in any XRD pattern the range of 2theta values is from 0 to 90 or so [and the horizontal axis is the one you look at to get the angle at which the peak occurs ;)]


ps. actually, if you do convert the angle into radians instead of degrees it would give the same result. but B should be converted into radians before calculating the grain size g [as shown in the linked thread]
 
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:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Now I found my mistake.

I didn't replace the dot with a comma in the file, I got. That's why there occurred these incredible angles :smile:

Now I will revise my analysis and keep your help in mind. When a question occurs, I will ask you again.

Thank You!

Mr. Fogg

PS: Do You know what to do with the wave vector?
 
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Phileas.Fogg said:
:biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Now I found my mistake.

I didn't replace the dot with a comma in the file, I got. That's why there occurred these incredible angles :smile:

Now I will revise my analysis and keep your help in mind. When a question occurs, I will ask you again.

Thank You!

Mr. Fogg

PS: Do You know what to do with the wave vector?

I’m not really familiar with this, sorry. but I'm sure you'll get the help you need from other PF members...welcome anyways :smile:
 
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Phileas.Fogg said:
Hello,
thanks!

Do I also have to convert 2 \Theta into Radians when I use the Bragg's Law? In my calculation, I sometimes get a negative d , is that possible?

How do I Index the peaks with Miller Indices?

I don't know, how this equation helps me

\frac{1}{d_{hkl}^2} = \frac{4}{3} \frac{h^2+hk+k^2}{a^2} + \frac{l^2}{c^2}

what equation is this called? what are the parameters 'l' and 'c'? how do u find lattice parameter if the cell is not cubic but tetragonal or orthorhombic?
 
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Hello,
I already finished my work

@ nyxynyx : Do you want to know that, or do you try to help me? Because everything is finished already. I don't need any replies to this thread, but thanks.

Mr. Fogg
 
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i would like to know that! i believe it has got something to do with the extinction rules but I can't find any tables for extinction rules of tetragonal and orthorhombic
 

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