Singlet and Triplet Spin States

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The discussion revolves around the allowed total spin states of two spin 1/2 particles, specifically focusing on the singlet and triplet spin states. Participants explore the implications of these states, their definitions, and the conceptual understanding of the m=0 triplet state.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the singlet and triplet states and their mathematical representations, noting that the triplet state with s=1 and m=0 is often referred to as a state of parallel spin, though this characterization is debated.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the interpretation of the m=0 state and its relation to parallel spins, suggesting that the terminology may be imprecise.
  • Another participant emphasizes the historical significance of singlet and triplet states in understanding spin, while cautioning against viewing them as concrete entities, advocating for a mathematical perspective instead.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the triplet state can be visualized through wave functions, with specific references to the hydrogen atom and the behavior of these states in different orientations.
  • Participants mention the small magnetic force between spin-spin interactions and question how separate electrons can align their spins, attributing this to quantum mechanical principles.
  • A reference to a previous discussion is made, suggesting that it may provide additional insights into the topic at hand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characterization of the m=0 triplet state as a parallel spin state, with some agreeing on the terminology while others challenge its accuracy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the mathematical versus physical interpretations of these states.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the physical implications of spin states, particularly in relation to the magnetic interactions and the mathematical nature of the states. There is an acknowledgment that the definitions and interpretations may depend on specific contexts and assumptions.

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In a system with two spin 1/2 particles ,
We now ask what are the allowed total spin states generated by adding the spins ${\bf S}= {\bf S}_1 + {\bf S}_2$ ,in fact, they are Singlet and Triplet Spin States

\left( \begin{array}{ll} |1,1\rangle & =\uparrow\uparrow\\ |1,0\rangle & =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\uparrow\downarrow + \downarrow\uparrow)\\ |1,-1\rangle & =\downarrow\downarrow \end{array} \right)\ s=1\ (\mathrm{triplet})

\left(|0,0\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\uparrow\downarrow - \downarrow\uparrow)\right)\ s=0\ (\mathrm{singlet})

so, when s=1 and m=0, many people call it state of parallel spin, but i don't think so , and i also don't understand the state . (or s=1,m=0 ) can you help me? thanks!
 
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joebo said:
In a system with two spin 1/2 particles ,
We now ask what are the allowed total spin states generated by adding the spins {\bf S}= {\bf S}_1 + {\bf S}_2 ,in fact, they are Singlet and Triplet Spin States

\left( \begin{array}{ll} |1,1\rangle & =\uparrow\uparrow\\ |1,0\rangle & =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\uparrow\downarrow + \downarrow\uparrow)\\ |1,-1\rangle & =\downarrow\downarrow \end{array} \right)\ s=1\ (\mathrm{triplet})

\left(|0,0\rangle=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(\uparrow\downarrow - \downarrow\uparrow)\right)\ s=0\ (\mathrm{singlet})

so, when s=1 and m=0, many people call it state of parallel spin, but i don't think so , and i also don't understand the state . (or s=1,m=0 ) can you help me? thanks!

First of all, please edit your post to put TeX tags around your formatting, as I have done in this repsonse.

Second, I'm not sure I understand your question, is it just about the sematics? "Parallel spin" is a colloquial (and imprecise) way to refer to the s=1 triplet state, because the m=+1 and m=-1 cases correspond to microstates where the two spins have the same projection on a space-fixed axis. As you point out, this is at best a "fuzzy" way to refer to the m=0 state, which is the symmetric linear combination of the microstates where the spins have opposite projections. The s=0, m=0 state corresponds to the anti-symmetric linear combination of the opposite-projection microstates.

Does that answer your question, or did I miss the point?
 
joebo said:
In a system with two spin 1/2 particles ,
We now ask what are the allowed total spin states generated by adding the spins ${\bf S}= {\bf S}_1 + {\bf S}_2$ ,in fact, they are Singlet and Triplet Spin States

so, when s=1 and m=0, many people call it state of parallel spin, but i don't think so , and i also don't understand the state . (or s=1,m=0 ) can you help me? thanks!

The singlet and triplet states are historically important for indicating the existence of "spin".
But if you try to understand the singlet and triplet states as "concrete" things, this may be difficult, I think. (Sorry if I misunderstand you.)
We had better consider these states as "mathematical" systems as SpectraCat shows in #2.

In the case of the triplet state (except the case of l = 0) , the two electrons of the different orbits have the parallel spin to each other.
So the sum of their spins (of electron 1 and 2) is 1. (S =S_{1}+S_{2}= 1).
In this state, this S has three directions (parallel, antiparallel or perpendicular to the orbital angular momentum(l)).
(Here, the state in which S is perpendicular to l is a little difficult to imagine.)

But actually the magnetic force between the spin-spin interaction is too small.
So why the two separate electrons can make their spin directions the same?
In QM, this is said to be due to the force caused by the "antisymmetry of the Schrödinger equation". (The Stroy of Spin).

For example, when the S is zero, the spin effect vanish, and the normal Zeeman effect is said to be seen.(See this thread)

But actually, even in this state the two electrons of the different orbits are apart from each other. So around the electron 1, the magnetic moment by the electron 1 exist, and the spin-orbital interaction (by the electron 1 itself) can occur. (if you imagine this state concretely).
The spin-orbital interaction means that the spin effect doesn't vanish. This is inconsistent with the fact S=0.

So only the "mathematical systems" are good to describe these states.
 
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Thanks, SpectraCat, for fixing the Latex. The triplet states are not hard to visualize because everything they do as a combination of two electrons is no different from what the orbital spin states do with s=1, and in this case we can look at the wave functions of the hydrogen atom for a concrete example.

The +/-1 states have a wave function which goes to zero at the poles and varies around the equator as one cycle of the complex exponential function. The m=0 state has two lobes, positive and negative, in the northern and southern hemispheres. If you play around a little with the geometry and the exponential functions, you can see that the m=0 state is really what you would get as the superposition of plus and minus spin states if you had started out by lining up your states to the x or y-axis instead of the z axis.
 
I don't remember every discussion I get into on the internet but in fact that one did make a big impression on me. In any event, thank you for not assuming I am totally senile.
 

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