Zeeman Effect: Counting Frequencies and Explaining Zero Frequency

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The discussion centers on the Zeeman effect, specifically regarding the counting of observed frequencies from transitions between quantum states with rotational quantum numbers J=2 and J=1. Participants explore the implications of these transitions, including the question of whether a transition with Δm_J=0 results in a zero frequency.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates that there are 9 transitions possible based on the given quantum states.
  • Another participant suggests that the frequency corresponding to the Δm_J=0 transition will not be zero, indicating a misunderstanding of the Zeeman term's role.
  • A participant questions why, despite 9 transitions, only 5 distinct frequencies are observed, indicating a potential complexity in the transitions.
  • Another participant speculates that the distinction in frequencies may relate to relaxations between sub-states.
  • A participant outlines three patterns of the Zeeman effect based on the integer or non-integer values of J_Z, discussing the normal Zeeman effect, the Paschen-Back effect, and the anomalous Zeeman effect.
  • There is a mention of precession related to the magnetic moment and angular momentum, raising questions about the nature of these interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the number of distinct frequencies and the implications of the Δm_J=0 transition. There is no consensus on the reasons for the observed distinct frequencies or the nature of the precession discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of the transitions and the effects of the magnetic field are not fully explored, and the discussion includes unresolved questions regarding the relationship between angular momentum and magnetic moments.

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Suppose for a system with two levels with corresponding rotational quantum number J=2 and J=1, each of these have sublevels corresponding to J=2: m_J=-2, -1, 0, 1, 2 and J=1: m_J=-1, 0, 1, tune the external field such that we have transitions corresponds to \Delta m_J=-1, 0, 1. So how many different frequencies will be observed? And for the transition \Delta m_J=0, does it mean the corresponding observed frequency is ZERO? How come?
 
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hi,
for your 1st question: 9.
2nd question: i guess freq. won't be zero..
 
Thanks. For the second question, I think I make a mistake, I forget that the Zeeman term is just the correction of the energy, so the frequency will not be zero.

But for the first question, someone said though there are 9 different transitions but only 5 frequencies are distinct, why?
 
I don't know sorry..But it may be something to do with relaxations between sub-states..
May i know where you got to know that 5 freq. are distinct..some book?
 
KFC said:
Suppose for a system with two levels with corresponding rotational quantum number J=2 and J=1, each of these have sublevels corresponding to J=2: m_J=-2, -1, 0, 1, 2 and J=1: m_J=-1, 0, 1, tune the external field such that we have transitions corresponds to \Delta m_J=-1, 0, 1. So how many different frequencies will be observed?

The Zeeman effect has about three patterns as follows. (the external magnetic field is the z direction.)

1 J_{Z} is an integer, which means the electron number is even. The normal Zeeman effect is seen (in the case of the sum of the spin is zero.(equal triplet pattern due to the selection rule (\Delta J = +1,0,-1).))

2 J_{Z} is not an integer(1/2, 3/2, 5/2...). When the magnetic field is strong, the Paschen-Back effect is seen. (S_{Z} is 1/2, so the z component of the spin magnetic moment is the Bohr magneton(due to 2 x 1/2 =1)).

3 When the magnetic field is weak, the anomalous Zeeman effect is seen. Strange to say, in this case S_{Z} is not exactly 1/2 and it's changing continuously. Because this includes three rotations as follows,
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Rotation (spin + orbital)

Precession(1) ---- The combined magnetic moment \vec{\mu}=2\vec{S}+\vec{L} precesses about \vec{J}=\vec{S}+\vec{L}(not \vec{J_{Z}}).
(But I think this precession is very strange. Why does this precession occur? Because the \vec{J} is an angular mometum, not the magnetic moment. So this direction has no relation to the direction of the force such as the magnetic field(\vec{Z} or the magnetic moment\vec{\mu}, 2\vec{S}, or \vec{L}{.)

Precession(2) ----- The \vec{J} component of the \vec{\mu} precesses about Z axis.
See this Google book (in page 238).
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I think your case is 1. So it's the normal Zeeman triplet=3 patten. OK?
 
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