Derivation of the electric field from the potential

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The discussion revolves around deriving the electric field from the electric potential of an electric dipole, specifically focusing on the calculations involved when point P is located between the two charges. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the derivation process outlined in their textbook.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of electric potential, with the original poster attempting to differentiate this potential to find the electric field. Questions arise about the application of the derivative and the quotient rule in this context.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the need to use the quotient rule for differentiation, while others confirm the correctness of the potential expression. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the steps involved in the derivation being explored.

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The original poster indicates they have already calculated the potential and are now focused on deriving the electric field, which suggests a specific homework constraint on the steps required to reach the solution.

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:confused: I am studying for a test and i can't figure out for the life of me how my book derived the solution for this problem I know it has to be basic i just don't see it...

An electric dipole consists of two charges of equal magnitude and opposite sign separated by a distance 2a... The dipole is along the x-axis and is centered at the origin.
calculate V and Ex if point P is located anywhere between the two charges.

I understand the concept of this, and have calculated V, which is [ (2*(Ke)*q*x) / ((a^2) - (x^2)) ] and i know how to start the problem of Ex...

Ex = - (dV/dx) = - [ (2*(Ke)*q*x) / ( (a^2) - (x^2) ) ...

But I can't remember or figure out for the life of me how they got

= - 2*(Ke)*q * [ { (a^2) + (x^2) } / { ( (a^2)-(x^2) )^2 } ]

Can Anyone please help? :D
 
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Your potential should look something like this
[tex]q \left( \frac {1}{ {a-x}} - \frac {1}{ {a+x}}\right)[/tex]
so just combine the fractions.
 
yes that is correct :D.. but i already got past that point and found the answer for the electric potential, V ... which was the sum of that equation...

and got (2KeqX) / ( a^2 - x^2) But that just gives me the potential... I needed to take it a step further and find the magnitude of the electric field from that... which is Ex ... which is = -dV/dx ... but i don't see how they derived the answer ...

= - 2*(Ke)*q * [ { (a^2) + (x^2) } / { ( (a^2)-(x^2) )^2 } ]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH THOUGH! :D
 
stargirl22 said:
and got (2KeqX) / ( a^2 - x^2) But that just gives me the potential... I needed to take it a step further and find the magnitude of the electric field from that... which is Ex ... which is = -dV/dx ... but i don't see how they derived the answer ...
Is your problem that you don't know how to take the derivative?
 
You have to your the quotient rule!
 
Sorry, I mean : You have to use the quotient rule!
 
Quotient Rule

Please see the attached file. You will see how the quotient rule is require to get that answer.
 

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