Solve Force F Applied to Objects with Masses m₁ and m₂

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the application of a force F to two objects with different masses (m₁ and m₂) and their resulting accelerations. Participants explore how to find the acceleration of both objects when they are merged and subjected to the same force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and sets up equations based on Newton's second law, stating that F = m₁ × 2 and F = m₂ × 3.
  • Another participant suggests first finding the masses m₁ and m₂ based on the provided accelerations.
  • A participant calculates m₁ and m₂ as m₁ = F / 2 and m₂ = F / 3, and attempts to derive the acceleration a when the two objects are merged.
  • There is a proposal that the acceleration a could be expressed as a = (a₁ + a₂) / (a₁ × a₂), although the derivation of this from previous calculations is questioned.
  • Another participant clarifies the steps to isolate a, indicating that dividing both sides by F leads to a solvable equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the derivation of the acceleration when the two masses are combined, as some calculations and assumptions remain unverified.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved steps in the mathematical derivation, particularly regarding the transition from individual accelerations to the combined acceleration of the merged objects.

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Hello, I have a little question:
Power F applies for object with mass m₁ and it gaves acceleration 2 m/s²;
The same power F applies for another object with mass m₂, a = 3 m/s².
Find acceleration of both object (merged) with the same force F.
I wrote this:
F = m×a;

=>

F = m₁ × 2;
F = m₂ × 3;
F = (m₁ + m₂) × a;

a - ?
What's right way to solve that?
 
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Hello Ockonal! :smile:

First find m1 and m2 :wink:
 
Yeah, I already did this:
F = m₁ × 2;
F = m₂ × 3;
F = (m₁ + m₂) × a;
=>
m₁ = F / 2;
m₂ = F / 3;

F ≠ 0
F = (F/2 + F/3) * a : F
0 = (1/2 + 1/3) * a;

By logical I thing there should be:
a = (a₁ + a₂) / a₁×a₂
But how to get it from last my calculations?
 
Yeah, I already did this:
F = m₁ × 2;
F = m₂ × 3;
F = (m₁ + m₂) × a;
=>
m₁ = F / 2;
m₂ = F / 3;

F ≠ 0
F = (F/2 + F/3) * a : F
0 = (1/2 + 1/3) * a;

By logical I thing there should be:
a = (a₁ + a₂) / a₁×a₂
But how to get it from last my calculations?
 
F = (F/2 + F/3) * a : F
0 = (1/2 + 1/3) * a;
You divide both sides by F, so you get F/F = 1 on the left side.

1 = (1/2 + 1/3) * a.

And that you should be able to solve.
 
Oh, thanks :) Now I understand. Silly mistake.
 

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