A little bit beyond projectile motion.

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion project that extends beyond typical ideal projectile problems. The original poster describes launching a ping-pong ball-sized projectile from a device with adjustable angles and consistent initial velocity, aiming to develop equations of motion that account for drag forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive equations of motion in terms of x and y, expressing forces based on a free body diagram (FBD). Participants question the equations derived from the FBD and explore how to express motion in the x/y coordinate system.

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Participants are actively discussing the formulation of second-order ordinary differential equations (ODEs) and their conversion into first-order ODEs. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of equations and MATLAB usage, but there remains uncertainty about the correct formulation and implementation of these equations for plotting motion.

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The original poster mentions needing to find the drag coefficient and the constraints of using MATLAB for graphing the results, indicating a lack of familiarity with the software. There is also a focus on the changing angle of launch and its impact on the equations of motion.

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Ok, here's the deal. I have a projectile motion project that goes a little beyond the normal "ideal projectile" problems.

The project consisted of shooting a projectile from a device that, within a few percent, launched a projectile at the same initial velocity every time it is fired. The launcher has an adjustable launch angle and shoots a ping-pong ball sized 5g projectile with a rough surface (yellow foam ball). My team shot the ball ten times at 15,30,45, and 60 degrees and then measure the distance traveled. We were told this data will be used later this week to find the drag coefficient of the ball but for today I simply need to develop a general equation of motion given:

v_0=100m/s,\ \theta=30^\circ,\ m_{proj}=20kg and various values of K.

Also, the force of drag is described as F_D=-Kv^2

where K is the drag coefficient and v is velocity.

I need to develop the equations of motion in terms of x and y for this "test" projectile which I will use later on to find the drag coefficient of our yellow ball and predict the range of the ball given an angle of launch.

I know I need 2 second order ODE's which I can convert to four first order ODE's, but I don't know where to start or how to start.

I have my FBD--a round ball with weight parallel to the y-axis and drag opposite to the direction of velocity.

Any help would be greatly appreciated here. Thanks in advance.
 
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what equations did u get from ur FBD?
Also give ur thoughts on how u think u would like to proceed?

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P.S -> Man this is fun ... i wish i had done physics this way ... :(
 
That's the thing. We are told to express our equations of motion in terms of x/y but I don't know how to do that. My I get the following from my FBD:

i: m\vec a=-\vec F_{Dx}

j: m\vec a=-\vec F_{Dy} \sin - \vec W

I know that \vec a=\ddot {x} i+\ddot {y} j

I don't see how this helps though because theta is changing as is the acceleration.

[edit] I've combined forces in the x/y direction to get:

i direction: \ddot{x}=\frac{-F_{Dx}}{m}

j direction: \ddot{y}=\frac{-F_{Dy}}{m}-g
 
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i direction: \ddot{x}=\frac{-Kv^2\cos \theta}{m}

j direction: \ddot{y}=\frac{-Kv^2\sin \theta}{m}-g

Is this correct thus far?
 
In know also that \dot{x}(0)=100\frac{m}{s}\cos \theta,\ \dot{y}(0)=100\frac{m}{s}\sin \theta and x(0)=0,\ y(0)=0
 
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OK, I've got this so far:

m\ddot x+Kv^2\cos \theta=0
m\ddot y+Kv^2\sin \theta+mg=0

I have to use MATLAB to display a graph of this using the ODE45 function. Unfortunetly, I've never used MATLAB before so this is quite a problem.

From whay I understand, I have to set up an m-file containing a vector where all of the ODE functions are stored.

I think I need a vector like this : v={v(1),v(2),v(3),v(4)} where:

v(1)=x
v(2)=y
v(3)=x_dot
v(4)=y_dot

I also have the following:\dot x(1)=x(3), \dot x(2)=x(4), \dot x(3)=\ddot x, and \dot x(4)=\ddot y.

thus:
m\dot x(3)+Kv^2\cos \theta=0
m\dot x(4)+Kv^2\sin \theta+mg=0

which I can solve for x_dot (x(3)_dot) and y_dot(x(4)_dot) but I'm not entirely sure if I need to:
\dot x(3)=\frac{-Kv^2\cos \theta}{m}
\dot x(4)=\frac{-Kv^2\sin \theta}{m}-g

I am so lost with this right now. What exactly do I do with the above to get a plot of projectile motion in terms of x and y and a plot of velocity in terms of x and y? Is there anyone out there who can help?
 
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