Why Does the Modulus Only Take Positive Values?

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The discussion revolves around understanding the modulus of a complex number, specifically for the case of z = 4 + 3i. The original poster questions why the modulus is defined to take only positive values, despite the mathematical expression yielding both positive and negative roots.

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  • Participants explore the definition of the modulus as the positive square root of the product of a complex number and its conjugate. There are attempts to clarify why only the positive root is considered, with references to the geometric interpretation of modulus as a length.

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The discussion includes various perspectives on the definition of the square root and its implications for the modulus of complex numbers. Some participants provide explanations regarding the principal square root and its intended use, while others express confusion about the implications of these definitions.

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There are indications of differing interpretations regarding the notation and definitions used in mathematics, particularly concerning the treatment of square roots and the concept of absolute value.

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Homework Statement



Find the modulus of |z| for z = 4 + 3i






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z' = 4 - 3i

z'z = 25

\sqrt{25} = plus or minus 5

My book and Mathematic only take positive roots, why?
 
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The modulus of a complex number z is defined to be the positive square root of z z'. That's it - it's just a definition.

The motivation for this definition is that the modulus is supposed to be the length of z if you think of z as a vector in the x-y plane. In the case of z = 4 + 3i, the vector points from (0,0) to (4,3) and so its length is 5 (certainly not -5).
 
flyingpig said:
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\sqrt{25} = plus or minus 5

My book and Mathematic only take positive roots, why?

\sqrt{25} = +5. That radical symbol denotes the principal square root, which is positive.
 
SammyS said:
\sqrt{25} = +5. That radical symbol denotes the principal square root, which is positive.

Wow what?
 
flyingpig said:
Wow what?

That simply means that when you write \sqrt{25}, or \sqrt{16}, or
\sqrt{2729275.5839}, by definition the positive square root is the one
that is intended. If you want the negative value you need to indicate it, viz. -\sqrt{25} = -5.
 
flyingpig said:
Wow what?
That wasn't very nice of me, was it?

Now, if you're solving x2=25, for example, then there are a couple of ways to show that the solution is: x = ±5. (I could have said: x = ±√(25) just as correctly.)

Method 1:
If x2 = 25, then x2 - 25 =0 . Factoring the LHS gives: (x+5)(x-5)=0

The zero product property of real numbers gives the solutions: x = 5 or x= -5.​

Method 2:
If x2 = 25, then taking the (principal) square root of both sides gives:

\sqrt{x^2}=\sqrt{25}

\sqrt{25}\text{ is }5\,, \text{ (That's positive 5 .) and }\sqrt{x^2}\text{ is }|x|\,.

So we have: \text{ }|x|=5 \ .

Therefore: x=\pm5\,.
 

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