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The discussion revolves around calculating the value of the expression |z/u| where z = 2 + i and u = -3 - 3i. Participants are exploring the concept of absolute value in the context of complex numbers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the absolute value of a complex number and question the steps taken in the original attempt. There are inquiries about the definition of absolute value in relation to complex numbers and its distinction from real numbers.

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Some participants have provided hints and clarifications regarding the calculation of the modulus of complex numbers. There is an ongoing exploration of definitions and terminology, particularly regarding the terms "absolute value" and "modulus." Multiple interpretations of these terms are being discussed without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of complex numbers, particularly focusing on the absolute value and its implications. There is a mention of differing terminology in various mathematical texts.

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Homework Statement


Let z = 2 + i and u = -3-3i. Calculate the value of |z/u|.

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|z/u|=|(2 + i)/(-3-3i)|
= |(2 + i)/(-3-3i)*(-3+3i/(-3+3i)| --- if it is not clear, I'm multiplying by the conjugate.
= |(-6+6i-3i+3i^2)/(9-9i+9i-9i^2)|
= |(3i^2+3i-6)/(-9i^2+9)|
= |(3i-9)/18|
= |-1/2+i/6|
= 1/2+i/6


Did I take care of the absolute value part correctly? Thanks.
 
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The absolute value is a real number, not a complex number. Apart from the last step, it looks fine, but it can be done in an easier way.
 
mfb said:
The absolute value is a real number, not a complex number. Apart from the last step, it looks fine, but it can be done in an easier way.

OK, so any hint as to how to convert it to a real number? Also, why does it have to be a real number? What does being in absolute terms have to do with being real/imaginary?
 
OK, so any hint as to how to convert it to a real number?
Check how "absolute value" is defined for complex numbers.
Also, why does it have to be a real number? What does being in absolute terms have to do with being real/imaginary?
Follows from the definition.
 
By the way, it's called a modulus and not an absolute value. Absolute value seems to be reserved for ##\mathbb{R}##.
 
Ok.

= |-1/2+i/6|
= sqrt((1/2)^2+(1/6)^2)
= srqt(1/4+1/36)
= sqrt(10)/6

Is that it?
 
1question said:
Ok.

= |-1/2+i/6|
= sqrt((1/2)^2+(1/6)^2)
= srqt(1/4+1/36)
= sqrt(10)/6

Is that it?
That's correct.

It's also true that |z/u| = |z|/|u| .

##\displaystyle |2+i| = \sqrt{5} ##

##\displaystyle |-3-3i| = 3\sqrt{2} ##

...
 
SammyS said:
That's correct.

It's also true that |z/u| = |z|/|u| .

##\displaystyle |2+i| = \sqrt{5} ##

##\displaystyle |-3-3i| = 3\sqrt{2} ##

...

Thanks for confirming. That IS faster...
 
micromass said:
By the way, it's called a modulus and not an absolute value. Absolute value seems to be reserved for ##\mathbb{R}##.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it called "absolute value". Let me check... yes, Saff & Snider (Fundamentals of complex analysis for mathematics, science, and engineering) begins the definition by saying "The modulus or absolute value of..." and Anton (Linear Algebra) defines the "modulus" and then immediately says "The modulus of z is also called the absolute value of z". Those are the only books I checked. I also think that "absolute value" is the more common term in physics books.
 
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Fredrik said:
I'm pretty sure I've seen it called "absolute value". Let me check... yes, Saff & Snider (Fundamentals of complex analysis for mathematics, science, and engineering) begins the definition by saying "The modulus or absolute value of..." and Anton (Linear Algebra) defines the "modulus" and then immediately says "The modulus of z is also called the absolute value of z". Those are the only books I checked. I also think that "absolute value" is the more common term in physics books.

I see... I never knew that, I thought modulus was more common. Thanks!
 

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