Third Order Non-Linear Homogeneous ODE

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The discussion revolves around a third-order non-linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by F''' + (1/C^2)*F*F' = 0, along with its boundary conditions. Participants are exploring methods to find a closed-form solution to this equation.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rewriting the equation to facilitate integration, with one suggesting to express it as F''' = -(1/C^2)*F*F'. There are attempts to derive a second-order equation and integrate it, leading to expressions involving constants and assumptions about derivatives. Questions arise regarding the handling of constants and the integration process. The Weierstrass P function is introduced as a potential solution method, prompting inquiries about its application and understanding.

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The conversation is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants express uncertainty about their methods and seek clarification on specific steps, while others suggest alternative perspectives or functions that could be relevant. There is a mix of interpretations and attempts to connect different mathematical concepts to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the presence of boundary conditions that need to be applied to the solution, and there is mention of a constant (1/C^2) that some believe complicates the solvability of the ODE. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions and definitions are questioned.

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I have derived a 3rd order non-linear ODE with its respective boundary conditions, and I was hoping to get a hint on how to find a closed form solution to it. The equation is given as:

F''' + (1/C^2)*F*F' = 0

Where the primes denote a derivative, and C is just a constant. Any help is highly appreciated!
 
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Compressible said:
I have derived a 3rd order non-linear ODE with its respective boundary conditions, and I was hoping to get a hint on how to find a closed form solution to it. The equation is given as:

F''' + (1/C^2)*F*F' = 0

Where the primes denote a derivative, and C is just a constant. Any help is highly appreciated!
I think this might help. Write the equation as F''' = -(1/C2)FF'
Now integrate both sides. That will get you a 2nd order DE.
 
So I tried what you mentioned, and here's what I get (though I think I made a mistake somewhere):

F''' = -(1/C^2)*F*F'
> F'' = -(1/2/C^2)*F^2 + C1 (where C1 is a new constant)

Now, this gives:

F'' + (1/2/C^2)*F^2 + C1 = 0

Assume G = F'
F'' = G*dG/dF

> G*dG/dF + (1/2/C^2)*F^2 + C1 = 0
> G*dG = [-(1/2/C^2)*F^2 - C1]*dF

Integrating both sides gives,

G = sqrt(-(1/3/C^2)*F^3 - 2*C1*F + 2*C2) = F' = dF/dy

Separating variables gives,

dF/sqrt(-(1/3/C^2)*F^3 - 2*C1*F + 2*C2) = dy

But now I have no idea how to take that integral and I'm pretty sure I made some mistakes with the constants. Any suggestions as to where I went wrong and what I can alter?
 
You said closed-form right? First just write it as:

\frac{dy}{dx}=\sqrt{ay^3+by+c}

Now, suppose I told you there is a special function called the Weierstrass P function such that if:

\text{myxside}=\int_{\infty}^{y}\frac{dt}{\sqrt{4t^3-ct-d}}

then:

y=P(\text{myxside,c,d})

and you just had to make some kind of showing on this thing, could you express your solution in terms of the Weierstrass P function?
 
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jackmell said:
You said closed-form right? First just write it as:

\frac{dy}{dx}=\sqrt{ay^3+by+c}

Now, suppose I told you there is a special function called the Weierstrass P function such that if:

\text{myxside}=\int_{\infty}^{y}\frac{dt}{\sqrt{4t^3-ct-d}}

then:

y=P(\text{myxside,c,d})

and you just had to make some kind of showing on this thing, could you express your solution in terms of the Weierstrass P function?

Honestly, I'm not familiar with the Weierstrass P function. I have to solve this ODE and apply three boundary conditions to it. I'm not sure how the Weierstrass P function operates to be able to do that.
 
Looking at it again, I think I found a way to solve the ODE, if the 1/C^2 constant wasn't there. Is there any way to define a new variable F that absorbs that constant value. If I can find a way to do that, then that ODE is easily solvable.
 
Nevermind. Solved! Thanks for the help!
 

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